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| Author: | Malleus [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Nor having played Epic:A yet I've been looking through the EA handbook 2008 and I just got more and more questions =) its just so not Epic:SM2 =D in the battlereports it seems like firefights breakout all the time that AP/AT values seems less relevant then the FF value. I've been trying to make an Eldar 3k list for a tournament but Im totally lost as to how to make a viable one! so... HELP! =D could use some example list with comments on what each detachment should do and what its good / bad at.. |
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| Author: | Jeridian [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Firefights only 'breakout' generally if your within 30cm and initiate an Engage Action. There are many downsides to doing so, most importantly that your opponent gets to shoot/fight back in your activations, and could possible break your formation into the bargain. Eldar especially can avoid the enemy causing a Firefight by jumping in (moving close), shooting, then jumping back. And can initiate engagements due to the same high speed. Trust me, get a few games in and you'll see Engagements are very useful, but not obligatory, and have downsides |
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| Author: | Lord Inquisitor [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 9:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
In practice, there's a lot of long ranged shooting. It's pretty tough to get units in position to assault (unless you drop them onto them with an aircraft!) so you aren't likely to see any assaults until turn 2. So assaults are comparatively rare and you certainly do use those AP/AT weapons. That said, assaults can be devastating and pivotal to the game, which is why they are important things to note in batreps. Of course, different armies tend to vary in how much they use assaults. Eldar tend to avoid them for the most part while orks love 'em! |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Quote: (Lord Inquisitor @ 25 Feb. 2009, 20:59 ) Of course, different armies tend to vary in how much they use assaults. Eldar tend to avoid them for the most part while orks love 'em! Actually, Eldar can be made to *LOVE* assaults... because, if they win, they get a free full move... to support other formations' assaults! |
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| Author: | Honda [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
EA handbook 2008 Where is this located? I'm not sure I have a copy of it. Thanx! |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Quote: (Honda @ 25 Feb. 2009, 21:36 ) EA handbook 2008 Where is this located? I'm not sure I have a copy of it. That's the "out of date" collection of all the suggested rules changes before the 2008 Errata was released... it's quite different from the "udpated" rules as a lot of changed didn't make it. |
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| Author: | AxelFendersson [ Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
It's here. Incidentally, be aware that the Handbook contains all of the proposed changes that were considered for the 2008 rules review, including many that weren't accepted and did not appear in the final 2008 errata. Obviously people are free to use whatever set of rules they like, but the 2008 Handbook does contain several things that aren't and will probably never be 'official'. |
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| Author: | Honda [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 2:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Well, all I am interested in using is what everyone is playing. So, how do I ensure I'm playing what the majority of our community is playing? What errata or whatever and where is it? Thanx in advance! |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Agreed. The handbook is out of date, the official rules + errata is the new standard. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Thu Feb 26, 2009 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Quote: (Rug @ 26 Feb. 2009, 18:57 ) Balanced army example: That's probably good for 3000 points... which is probably the most common point value, but the armylists are, generally, balanced for 2000-5000 points... though you can go much higher, so oddities might start cropping up. |
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| Author: | GR00V3R [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 4:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Feb. 2009, 09:14 ) Agreed. The handbook is out of date, the official rules + errata is the new standard. And yet the Handbook 2008 is more balanced. For that reason, our local game group has adopted the Handbook over the original rulebook plus errata. Thus far, we've found this to be the better solution. Just my 2 cents... |
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| Author: | zombocom [ Fri Feb 27, 2009 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Quote: (GR00V3R @ 27 Feb. 2009, 03:23 ) Quote: (zombocom @ 26 Feb. 2009, 09:14 ) Agreed. The handbook is out of date, the official rules + errata is the new standard. And yet the Handbook 2008 is more balanced. For that reason, our local game group has adopted the Handbook over the original rulebook plus errata. Thus far, we've found this to be the better solution. Just my 2 cents... The differences are minimal, and the Handbook is not known to everyone, nor official, and contains several rules which were never intended to become standard. Using it for your own gaming group is of course fine, but for pick-up games against other opponents the Errata should become the standard rules set for now. |
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| Author: | Honda [ Sun Mar 01, 2009 10:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tactics question |
Um...I think the my point is being missed. I'm not looking at how to play, what I am trying to ensure is that I am using the same rules that everyone else is. Several times the handbook (Original rules?) and errata (where is it?) are the most common. Perfect. I have the downloaded rules, but where exactly is the errata? Thanx! |
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