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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:04 pm 
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Okay, in an assault, you figure up your hits with your CC and FF attacks, including any MW and extra attacks.  Okay.  Got that.  How do you determine who gets the MW attacks?  Because the rules say you remove pieces starting with base to base first, so if the piece that attacked with a MW loses its target before you get to its attack, what do you do then?  Is its attack lost, or what?  Sorry if this sounds confusing, but I am kinda confused.  The rules say just count up your hits, implying that FF and CC hits are counted together.  Any clarification would be appreciated. :-:

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:24 pm 
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Reading section 2.2.6, I would say that all cc and ff hits are rolled and allocated (and saving throw rolled) first, THEN the extra attacks from MW's are worked out. It states that hits from macro weapons can ONLY be applied to units that are in a position to be hit by that weapon. (ie: base contact/weapon's range), so I would say that the extra attack was lost if it couldn't hit.

When you head in for an assault, you simply have to decide whether or not to commit your MW units further into an enemy formation (eg: Warlords leading a charge into battle), so that after the first kills are removed from the front of the enemy formation, your MW weapons are still useable on those enemy further back. It's simply a tactical decision you have to make.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:36 pm 
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Yep. All "normal" CC and FF hits are allocated together (starting from base-to-base and then gradually allocating futher away).

Then roll saves

Then allocate MW hits, if the target is lost, you don't get the MW attack. Jervis said this was intentional because he didn't want CC macro weapons to become to powerful like power weapons in WH40K.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 11:50 pm 
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Okay I get it now.  Thanks guys. :D

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:41 pm 
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e-mailed FW yesterday to enquire what their stance on Fanatics 'evolution' was and to enquire whether they perhaps intended to increase model production as a result (to compensate for the lack of SGs releases), to decrease production (due to fears of lack of sales) or keep things roughly the same.

The reply was quite positive and it looks like FW plan to continue to support and expand their epic ranges, for at least the forseeable future. Though some of you out there may prefer the metal personally I love the extra detail and regard this as excellent news :)

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i can reveal as much as we have decided! Yes we will continue the epic range and while the existing specialist games department are effectively 'maintaining' the rules side of the hobby, we will now be the main developer of the models. Please note this is a new addition and forge world is a small outing with only a few model makers on board, obviously the Specialist games ranges will take a side note to our current projects and ventures, however i will confirm that we will definitely be expanding things further in the future and developing a lot more new models and / or making our own versions of existing pieces (like we did with epic imperial guard). As and when we will start the next big thing for these systems i am not sure but i am sure you will start to see new releases from us by the end of the year. I am not sure about War master, Mordhiem or blood bowl, these have not been spoke about but the range of forgeworld Epic and BFG models will grow considerably in the coming year or two.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:05 pm 
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As I said on the SG boards, great stuff! Really glad to hear this, it makes a nice change! :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:06 pm 
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Ahhh, now this IS good news. The only thing I hope is that the "Making our versions of the existing stuff" part is left on the back seat...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 3:19 pm 
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My only beef is with the prices of FW infantry. While the quality is unparallelled, so is the price tag. I don't mind paying that extra for a few specialist troops but for the basic grunts I think it's too expensive so I hope SG will at least keep the existing plastics (and hopefully a few of the E40k era ones too) in production.
FW vehicles is great IMO. First of all quality and price are excellent, secondly resiin modles doesn't get paint chippings as easily as metal models. :cool:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 02, 2005 4:10 pm 
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That is good, I hoped F/W would carry the ball !  But as I have said before, with all the versions of Epic around, if they opened up the Archives, there are plenty of models there ! ( :angry: )  Not that I have anything against new models, but as I have said before, as F/W clearly demonstated, how may versions of something do we need ??!  F/W has produced a number of redunant models ! Especially for the IG and Eldar, IMO.   New stuff is most welcome but the 4th and 5th version of a Chimera, Basilisk, Falcon, etc., etc. makes no sense to me.  My other concern is that F/W Epic tends to be a bit fragile, I see that as a minor annoyance.  However, as in life, nothing's perfect.  I would (do) look forward to F/W Epic releases like Tallarn and Elysian (?) Infantry, Kroot Knarlacs (yes, I said it again !) :D , Chaos, Necrons, SoBs and maybe even 'Nids !  But no more IG AFVs, SMs, Orks  or Eldar, there are enough of those around !  Check out eBaY ! :laugh:   :;):

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Good news on the epic front.
Specialist inf would be nice,nids and Knarlocs(I'm in the same glee club on that front L4:D )

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Hi!

Go FW!

Glad to see they'll be picking up the slack! :)

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Go T&K !!!! :;):

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 7:59 am 
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Great News! :)  

Makes me wonder, though, why FW can operate fairly sucessfully on its own, while SG could not.  
(Dream Mode/on)  What if SG had been reorganized along the same lines as FW?  (Dream Mode /off)  ???

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:33 am 
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Makes me wonder, though, why FW can operate fairly sucessfully on its own, while SG could not.


From what I understand, SG was probably profitable, but less profitable than the huge cash cows of WFB and WH40K. So the goal is to slowly strangle SG, and reaffect the resources. FW seems to have an approach centered less around "more profits and the rest be damned".

Regarding FW stepping up, it's certainly good news for the more wealthy among us (especially as far as infantry is concerned). But we should also remember that FW miniatures are much less "user friendly" than the classic plastic and metal from GW : they are more fragile, longer to prepare before painting and harder to paint.

Also, FW seems to have a development schedule focused on the aesthetic value of models, not on gameplay. We will have to see how that will work.

In the end, while I would prefer to see the current synergy between SG and FW continue, this is certainly good news especially when compared to the alternative of nothing new. Most minis coming from FW would definitely keep EA a niche product, though (imagine building a SM army at current Grey Knights rate :O )

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 5:21 pm 
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I'm sorry I know I've been out of the loop and all but what happen to Specialist games.  Ok the last I heard was fanatic was going to an ezine.  Now I get the impression that they are no longer doing minis.  Is this true and when did this happen?

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