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Author:  Hergrmir [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 1:10 am ]
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Well, being an Epic newcomer, I was wondering if you fine folks had websites with images of older Epic stuff? I've been to De'Ayne's Gallery and Felix's Gaming Pages, Stuff of Legends doesn't seem to have an Epic section... any others?

Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:01 am ]
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Unless I missed something, De'Ayne's if full of Epic ?  Chris help me out here ?  Also check out ebay ... there is usually a lot of old stuff there, too. :;):

Author:  Jimbo [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 8:33 am ]
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Stuff of Legends has ALL the old catalogue pages which have the models on
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/index.htm (look on right)
or for example Capitol Imperialis
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c212 ... talimp.htm

Another useful link
http://www.epicollector.com/

Author:  Tas [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 9:46 am ]
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Those 2 are the best that I can think of Jimbo.

If you want to see anything specific Hergrmir then ask- somebody here will have one!

Author:  Chris [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:37 am ]
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De'Aynes is PURE Epic, I don't see how you couldn't find any Epic pictures!

List me what you want to find, and I will send you some links, if we have to required pics.

Cheers

Chris

Author:  Ork Dreadnought [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:53 am ]
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Quote (Jimbo @ 17 2004 Feb.,07:33)
Stuff of Legends has ALL the old catalogue pages which have the models on
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/index.htm (look on right)
or for example Capitol Imperialis
http://www.solegends.com/citcat911/c212 ... talimp.htm

Another useful link
http://www.epicollector.com/

Hey, I've got that catalog!

Author:  Hergrmir [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 6:48 pm ]
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Sorry for the poor writing on my part. I mean, I have been through De'Ayne's and Felix's, and spent a while going through everything. And there's great stuff, inspirational stuff, and lots of stuff. But I also happen to know there's more stuff. Specifically, I was looking to see the Eldar, Squat and Chaos ranges in their full glory.

And thanks for the SOL link, I'd been there, but the GW section didn't have the Space Marines/Epic link up; I'd never thought to check the catalogue.

Author:  Legion 4 [ Tue Feb 17, 2004 11:13 pm ]
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Just SAVE'd SOL ... Jimbo again proves his worth to the Regiment ! :;):

Author:  Hergrmir [ Wed Feb 18, 2004 2:39 am ]
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Doomwings, Firelords, Slaanesh Daemon Engines, old CSMs.
I'm looking into a lot of those for purchase, and just want to see them before they turn up on my doorstep, so I can anticipate assembling other than ranks upon innumerable ranks of Guardians. 78 and counting...

Author:  iblisdrax [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:36 am ]
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I don't understand the logic of suppressing only the units that are capable of shooting with blast markers.  Why, if the whold formation being shot at, wouldnt ALL the units in the formation be suseptable to suppressing fire?

my 1 question,

iblisdrax

Author:  mr_mich [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 1:45 am ]
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Because then you get people supressing units like reloading manticores, which seems kind of unfair because they're getting around the negative effects of the blastmarker by sacrificing shots they couldn't take anyway.

Author:  Markconz [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 3:53 am ]
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Quote (mr_mich @ 26 2004 Feb.,00:45)
Because then you get people supressing units like reloading manticores, which seems kind of unfair because they're getting around the negative effects of the blastmarker by sacrificing shots they couldn't take anyway.

Actually you can count the manticores as supressed, quotiing Jervis:

"Q: Are slow-firing units that fired in the previous turn are eligible for supression even if they are unable to fire this turn?

A: Yes.

Best regards,

Jervis Johnson
Head Fanatic"

http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic40k....ID=1152


and in another thread:

"They *can* count for suppression. All you need is to be in range and have a LOS - actually being able to shoot is not a requirement."

and he continues...

"With hindsight it might have been better not to change the supression rules, which originally allowed you to suppress *any* unit, even those that were not in range or LOF. We changed the rule to stop players having units that they hid out or sight but could use to soak up BM, but the change has ended up throwing more problems than it solves IMO. Definately something to disucss in the first rules review."


http://forums.specialist-games.com/epic40k....ID=1393


In good old Epic40k you could choose which units in your detachments were supressed... looks like we might be going back to that system.

Author:  CyberShadow [ Thu Feb 26, 2004 11:55 am ]
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The supression rules do seem to be getting more and more complicated. I would prefer it if all formations were sinply supressed from the back, not counting units that were not allowed to fire for any reason - such as reloading, out of range, etc.

I dont think that we will go back to a choice of supression of units, as this would cause commanders to put the weak troops at the frint to both be destroyed and supressed. The original system allowed destroyed from the front and supressed from the back to give the best units to place to hide, and this seems a fine system to me.

I am still confused about the single Hydra being supressed against aircraft. It is supressed if nothing else is in range, but not if there are even some AP shots in range of the incoming bomber...?  :-:

Author:  iblisdrax [ Fri Feb 27, 2004 12:21 am ]
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Well, my group will probably stick with the E40k style system of suppression, because it is simpler to use.  Having to figure out which units can fire, then which ones are suppressed is a pain, IMHO.

my 2cents,

iblisdrax

Author:  Legion 4 [ Fri Feb 27, 2004 5:46 am ]
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Always do what works for you !  I don't really like the way E:A uses mix dets, either.  We never intended to play E:A "by the book", only take what we like and add it to our "Hybrid" rules.  And as I said we have been using activation since SM1 in '90.  And we normally don't use mixed dets, except with Grunts in transports, of course.  So my point always is - if you don't like it - fix it !   :;):

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