It does create some interesting situations if you have to b2b. Eg a rough rider unit suddenly becomes very formidable if any unit starting their activation in its zoc had to close assault it or move away.

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If you start in a ZoC and select an Engage action, then surely you must move towards the closest enemy unit whose ZoC you are in to satisfy 1.7.3 (see dptdexys post above):
"and use their charge move to get into base contact with the nearest enemy unit whose zone of control they have entered"

"If a unit finds itself in an enemy zone of control for any reason, then it must either charge the enemy or leave the zone of control when it next takes an action" (I believe the use of the word enemy in this sentence is referring to the same unit).

I don't see how you could select an Engage action whilst starting in the ZoC of one formation and charge another unless it's a case of the Scout Screen from behind issue.

Interesting...

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Unless the attacking unit has the Infiltrate ability then you cannot move through a ZofC at will which moving out of a ZofC would be doing,

So if I'm within ZOC of say a scout unit with devastator marines for example I can't make an engage action, and engage in a firefight from where the unit is standing?

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Cool. Move my Kroot up into cover and within 10 cm of units in target formation.
The target has to move into base-to-base contact if they want to engage. Kroot get
cover save and get to use CC4+, nice. Passive, Aggressive.

That bit is talking about entering ZoC though, not if you start in it.



I don't think it matters which enemy it's referring to because charging another enemy is still leaving the ZoC of the first enemy. As is engaging and just moving outside of the ZoC. You just can't stay put in the ZoC.

Also, this is covered in Neal's old master FAQ thread: viewtopic.php?p=354846#p354846

Specifically:

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I've always read it that if a unit is in an enemy ZOC when it activates then it has to move or engage. When the formation engages there is no obligation to move but if it does move it has to be towards the closest target unit.

My Rough Riders are happy if the enemy have to b2b though

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Ok thanks for investigating. So it seems pretty clear then that if entering a ZoC during a charge, a unit is compelled to enter base contact if it can.

Not so clear is when an engage action is taken by a formation with units already in an enemy's ZoC and who wish to avoid base contact with that enemy. It appears that it is possible providing they use their move to leave the ZoC. The intended target of the engage action can be the same or another formation. however it's a bit controversial

Is the one about charging a unit other than the one who's ZOC you're in actually official or just a proposal? I've never seen it played that way. Especially as it seems to contradict the rules which state both that you can't charge through one units ZOC to assault another and that you have to charge 'the' enemy when you're in their ZOC not an enemy. Use of the definite article is important there.

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From the NetEA FAQ:

Seems to differ a bit from Neal's FAQ...

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The FAQ consolidation caught up with us then, as the "starts in the zone of control bit" was added in later (likely by me).

Neal's master FAQ was just as official as NetEA is (read: not at all). The last SG FAQs came in 2009. After that the community here accepted him has the de-facto rule's chair. During that time new FAQs were added. After he stepped down Onyx and I took a stab at consolidating all the FAQs (SG's, the master FAQ and some additional ones Neal had in a working document) for the TP.

That brings us to now. The New England group originally played it where you had to charge what was ZoCing you or move out of its ZoC. That changed in 2014 when I found the highlighted text above.

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IIRC this debate about leaving a ZoC occurred many years ago, the prevailing view at the time was that the formation could engage a formation other than the one that was ZoCing one or more of the units. One difficulty arises where a formation is ZoCed by two separate formations (eg two sets of scouts), so some unit(s) must leave one ZoC to fight the other formation (assuming they are not intermingled). I believe that was the reasoning behind this permission.

Furthermore, it was argued that a unit could take any path provided it left the original ZoC, rather than requiring it to take the shortest route out. I don't recollect the reasoning here, except that there is no constraint when leaving the ZoC.

I don't see that the RAW requires you to try to base the unit that is zoc'ing you, even if you take an engage action and even if you use it to engage that unit's formation. That rule does exist for when you enter a zoc, the aim being to prevent you from ignoring the front units to get the ones at the back. So I think it's fine if NetEA allows the zoc'd unit to go wherever it wants, so long as it moves out. Including subsequently entering the zoc of another unit. Equally if NetEA wanted to rule another way, the rules don't prevent it per se.

Bear in mind though, if you are thinking the unit should be compelled to charge the unit, it is perfectly possible to be zoc'd by two (or more) units at the same time - which one are you judged to have "entered" first, and therefore must charge? And are you allowed to leave the zoc of one of those units during an engage move in order to base the other?

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It would simply be a case of charge the nearest enemy unit whilst staying in coherency and we would use the Scout Screen from behind rule to clarify it.

I see no way an engaging formation can enter into or start in the ZoC of an enemy unit and not be compelled to move towards it (Infiltrate aside) with it's full movement.

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We've always read it that if a unit is in an enemy's ZOC then they have the choice to engage or move away. If they choose to engage then they have the usual choice of moving or not

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