Though I agree with your conclusion, nothing in the rules seem to indicate that you cannot roll to hit with weapons that have no chance of harming the target.

The rules only mention that you must allocate any hits rolled to valid targets.

Of course, rolling when there are no valid targets is pointless, unless our understanding of the way disrupt is intended is wrong.

The substance of the question is: do disrupt hits need to be validly alocated to cause BMs ?

The answer I am expecting is yes, and that's what E&C and Nealhunt indicated in the above mentioned thread.

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The brief answer is that you can only allocate hits to valid targets (1.9.6).
Disrupt inflicts a BM for each hit inflicted rather than each kill. (2.2.2)
Since you may not "inflict" hits on invalid targets, then they do not disrupt.

As previously answered in the other thread, if there *is* a valid target, then the Disrupt hits do get applied. So if 6x AP disrupt hits are allocated to a formation with several AT units but also a single AP unit, then the formation gets all 6x disrupt BMs even though only a single unit is a valid target (and killed many times over).

To me the rules do not only mention hits are allocated to a valid target, again from 1.1.3 unit datasheets.


I'm sure the highlighted section above states that AP is used against Infantry, therefore to me if there are no Infantry present in the target formation then AP cannot be used.

My answer would be no.
The reasons have been covered by quite a few in this thread (and by Neal and E&C in the linked thread).

No (see dptdexys posts for details).

I can't say that I've heard of anyone having this question coming up and it does seem fairly straight forward what the answer is.

Sorry I am late to the discussion. Again, living in Australia... etc.

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The disrupt rule talks about going on to make saves for hits as normal which implies they must have been validly allocated. In the absence of common sense, changing "inflicted hits" to "allocated hits" would clear it up but it does make me a little sad to see these types discussions on here. Feels a bit 40k to me...

We're all in agreement, no?

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