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To avoid kissing Moscovian on the lips I would:
Poll ended at Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:47 pm
A. Bathe in broken glass 7%  7%  [ 3 ]
B. Run over a puppy 14%  14%  [ 6 ]
C. Pluck a live chicken 9%  9%  [ 4 ]
D. Live in Los Angeles 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
E. Nothing and hope he doesn't see me 23%  23%  [ 10 ]
F. Avoid? I would RUN TO HIM! 35%  35%  [ 15 ]
Total votes : 43

POLL: an experiment in polling

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:41 am 
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If I wanted to avoid such an event, clearly C would be the choice, but mattthemuppet raises a very good point. Mosc definitely ranks high on the hunk-o-meter.

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I don't like beef, I prefer tofu...what with the veganism and everything...

And what's so bad about Los Angeles?!

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I don't like beef, I prefer tofu...what with the veganism and everything...

And what's so bad about Los Angeles?!

Living near it/around it and having to go their on occasion, I have to agree its not my favorite place to be. A week ago we spent 30mins trying to find a place to eat and then another 30mins trying to find parking, ugh.

Who doesn't like Beef? My token response would be "That's Un-American" but I don't think that work with you MoK, LOL.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:19 pm 
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Why I made this silly poll:

Besides the annual tradition I have of making some type of sarcastic thread, I wanted to point out some interesting things about these polls. There is a lot of talk about the use of polls and their effectiveness. I have used polls in the past and I believe they have their place, but we need to take the message we get from them and weigh it against a number of other factors. Analysis, playtest, opinion, common sense, et al. In other words, a vote for one thing or another is a gauge, not a referendum.

Take the results of this poll on what people would do to avoid kissing me. :)

The people who would run to me not only have excellent taste in manhood, but represent the no-opinion option of many polls. But what makes this poll accurate? What is the best way to avoid contact with my pouty lips? I suggest there are a certain number of voters who are from the U.K. or the East Coast of the U.S. who voted for moving to Los Angeles and clearly do not understand what a terrible thing that is. If they truly understood what that meant the vote would be pegged at 1 and people would be lining up crates of puppies underneath tires at parking lots. The same thing goes for other polls; some people just don't have a clear idea of the implications of their choice. I myself have voted in the past one way only to change my mind later on.

The majority of people would prefer to do something rather than nothing, therefore doing something is the clear choice and doing nothing is no longer an option.... This is the argument made by somebody else on another thread when it came to the Warhounds when clearly the highest number of votes were to not change anything. This assumes that the voter would cast a vote for another action as opposed to doing nothing - a faulty assumption. I could easily say that the vast majority of people would prefer to avoid bathing in busted glass and therefore eliminate that as a choice as well. This is data manipulation.

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This is the argument made by somebody else on another thread when it came to the Warhounds when clearly the highest number of votes were to not change anything.

How is the highest number of votes here to do nothing?

Options 2, 3 (Ajusted for a mistaken vote) and 4 all had more votes, independently.

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This is data manipulation.

In no way am I intentionally cooking the numbers, and I ask you to withdraw the accusation (E&C is an idiot).

First past the post, "a single point of damage" is the most popular choice, so if we were just doing a straight popularity contest, that option would be adopted.

However, it was not in outright majority, so we're running a few "elimination" rounds to settle people's "alternative votes" if their previous preferred option were no longer available.

I rather suspect that "a single point of damage" will emerge as the winner after several rounds of "alternative vote" voting too.

However, to asuage your fears, a final round of voting can be run to detirmine whether there is still an absolute majority in favour of change, between the leading contender from the current round of voting (It seems a third round will not be nessesary as "a single point of damage" is leading yet again), and a re-introduced "no change" option.

Would that be acceptable to you?

Alternatively, we can run one more "AV" round between the two leading contenders from this round ("A single point" and "Imperial Titan damage chart"), followed by a "leading contender vs. no change" round of voting.

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E&C, I was referring to this poll.

But I wouldn't take my comments to be accusing anyone of anything. Nor should you take my comments to mean that I disagree with any of the proposed changes (although I may). I'm just trying to put polls in their rightful place on the shelf with the tools, as opposed to making the assumption that they are wholly representative, accurate, and binding.

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Ummm, who's tried to use that poll to push for further change on the Warhounds?

That poll actually looks to have been very useful in shutting down calls for cost increases or 0-1 restrictions on Warhounds.

And incidentally, I voted for 300pt Warhounds in that poll.

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Massage those ........!


I'd be careful using the word massage in a poll about kissing Mosc, you don't want him to get ideas


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mattthemuppet wrote:
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Massage those ........!


I'd be careful using the word massage in a poll about kissing Mosc, you don't want him to get ideas

Now who is putting ideas into other peoples heads :)


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Moscovian wrote:
I suggest there are a certain number of voters who are from the U.K. or the East Coast of the U.S. who voted for moving to Los Angeles and clearly do not understand what a terrible thing that is. If they truly understood what that meant the vote would be pegged at 1 and people would be lining up crates of puppies underneath tires at parking lots.

Its not that bad!

Okay maybe it is... :P

I'm already here so it was a east vote...

Living anywhere in this state is getting bad *Sigh*


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Why I made this silly poll:

Besides the annual tradition I have of making some type of sarcastic thread, I wanted to point out some interesting things about these polls. There is a lot of talk about the use of polls and their effectiveness. I have used polls in the past and I believe they have their place, but we need to take the message we get from them and weigh it against a number of other factors. Analysis, playtest, opinion, common sense, et al. In other words, a vote for one thing or another is a gauge, not a referendum.

Take the results of this poll on what people would do to avoid kissing me. :)

The people who would run to me not only have excellent taste in manhood, but represent the no-opinion option of many polls. But what makes this poll accurate? What is the best way to avoid contact with my pouty lips? I suggest there are a certain number of voters who are from the U.K. or the East Coast of the U.S. who voted for moving to Los Angeles and clearly do not understand what a terrible thing that is. If they truly understood what that meant the vote would be pegged at 1 and people would be lining up crates of puppies underneath tires at parking lots. The same thing goes for other polls; some people just don't have a clear idea of the implications of their choice. I myself have voted in the past one way only to change my mind later on.

The majority of people would prefer to do something rather than nothing, therefore doing something is the clear choice and doing nothing is no longer an option.... This is the argument made by somebody else on another thread when it came to the Warhounds when clearly the highest number of votes were to not change anything. This assumes that the voter would cast a vote for another action as opposed to doing nothing - a faulty assumption. I could easily say that the vast majority of people would prefer to avoid bathing in busted glass and therefore eliminate that as a choice as well. This is data manipulation.


ooh, this is getting serious.

Anyway, back to the frivolity - American's and their incessant need for traditions. Is this:

a) representative of a deep and persistent insecurity about the age of their young nation
b) a way of offending Canadian's who resent being grouped with "those Southerners" despite supposedly being a distinct sovereign country
c) a healthy way of boosting retails sales of various tradition related knick knacks (American English translation necessary)
d) related to Mosc's stratospheric hunk-o-meter score


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E. A way to separate us from the godless heathens that curse us with their mouths while simultaneiously beating down our doors to live here.

Although D sounds good too.

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It is also intruiging to consider that this 'joke' poll has garnered the same number of votes as the other 'serious' polls (35-36).

So does that mean that there are only ~40 people activly using the forum now?! :o


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Nah, the serious polls tend to run to 40-50.

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So does that mean that there are only ~40 people activly using the forum now?

Might be interesting to ask Iain what the numbers are each day for Registered user visits and Guest visits.

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E. A way to separate us from the godless heathens that curse us with their mouths while simultaneiously beating down our doors to live here.

Although D sounds good too.


ooh, touche fine sir. Although, if I'm being a pedant (which I am) I'd like to point out that heathens do have gods, just more than 1. It's just not as snappy to say "heathens with many gods none of which we like so we'll kill 'em educate them".


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