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Sentinels in DKoK service.
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Author:  Major Stryker [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Sentinels in DKoK service.
Does it say anywhere in the background that Krieg IG units can/cannot use sentinels?
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 9:23 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
They do not.
Author:  Major Stryker [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 10:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Evil and Chaos wrote:
They do not.


Has it ever been "officially" explained why?

The reason I ask is because I just saw a really nice picture of a diorama over on the FW Faceplant page showing a squad of Kriegsmen advancing down a street with a Sentinel in support. I thought "why not?"
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 11:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
What website's that?


The Death Korps don't use Sentinels in the same way that the Steel Legion don't use Gorgons... whilst some occasional regiments may make use of them, typically they do not.
Author:  madd0ct0r [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 12:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Because a sentinel would look pretty silly standing in a trench for cover.

A lightly armoured rough terrain scout vehicle isn't that much use in the kreigs typical method of war.
Author:  CaptainSenioris [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
I think it was mentioned briefly in swordwind that the DKoK Abandoned it during the Krieg rebellion due to the complexities of it's maintenance and unsuitability in trench warfare. (Read the description for the Siegfried)

Interestingly the same passage also says that the DKoK now prefer to use the 'more versatile' sentinel leaving the siegfried to the siege regiments.

I guess that leaves it wide open but the Krieg list is a siege list so I guess the above sentiments would apply. Then again I haven't actually read any of the 'Siege of Vraks' imperial armour books, FW may have said differently there.
Author:  Ulrik [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 2:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
My guess is that DKoK uses sentinels, but when they do it's in armies best represented with the Steel Legion list, not the DKoK list.
Author:  Major Stryker [ Fri Nov 11, 2011 6:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Evil and Chaos wrote:
What website's that?



Sorry, an attempt at humour. It was on FW Facebook page under the photos section.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000747257427#!/photo.php?fbid=2082957426758&set=o.257094630974491&type=3&theater
Author:  Major Stryker [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 5:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
As the Krieg forces field Infantry, Mech, and Tank Regiments (as well as Siege units) does it not make sense that the more mobile forces would need a scouting unit that is better then the Siegfried tank?

I really don't see how it would take an "flavour' from the Kriegsmen.
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
The infantry, mech, and tank units are best represented by other lists, though. The DKoK list really only covers the 'iconic' Siege Regiments, with attached units from the more traditional formations.
Author:  GlynG [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Major Stryker wrote:
As the Krieg forces field Infantry, Mech, and Tank Regiments (as well as Siege units) does it not make sense that the more mobile forces would need a scouting unit that is better then the Siegfried tank?

I really don't see how it would take an "flavour' from the Kriegsmen.

Krieg don't use the Siegfried tank nor would they use sentinels. Sentinels in particular don't fit.

Their scouting needs are covered well by their Grenadier squads in Centaur Light Assault Carriers. You should all read the Vraks books, seriously - I regard them as the joint best background/books GW have ever done up (along with the original Realm of Chaos books) and they can be found online if you know where to look.
Author:  zombocom [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:53 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Major Stryker wrote:
As the Krieg forces field Infantry, Mech, and Tank Regiments (as well as Siege units) does it not make sense that the more mobile forces would need a scouting unit that is better then the Siegfried tank?

I really don't see how it would take an "flavour' from the Kriegsmen.


If you're playing Krieg in any other style than "Siege attackers", you're best to use another list to represent them. For example, the Minervan list started out as a Krieg Tank regiment.
Author:  Major Stryker [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
"Krieg don't use the Siegfried tank..."

They don't? You'll have to forgive me, then why are the sold by GW under the sigemasters banner and are on Krieg lists that I have seen?

"Their scouting needs are covered well by their Grenadier squads in Centaur..."

Do you know where I can get an Epic Scale Centaur?

Either way the beauty of a game like Epic is that since I wiould be running the game, and I don't use tournment rules the universe is what I (or any of us) make of it. ;)
Author:  GlynG [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 3:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Major Stryker wrote:
"Krieg don't use the Siegfried tank..."

They don't? You'll have to forgive me, then why are the sold by GW under the sigemasters banner and are on Krieg lists that I have seen?

Those are the Barran Siegemasters, also siege troops but very different from the Death Korps. If I heard correctly Swordwind was going to include Death Korps, but during writing it they heard Forge World were going to be doing a army for them, so they re-wrote them to be a different regiment instead. Checkout the Krieg list in Siege compared to the GW Siegemasters lists and you'll see that majority of the units in the two lists are different. Barran are pretty much a a defensive siege army only while Krieg can be played offensively also if superheavy Gorgon transports are taken.

Major Stryker wrote:
Do you know where I can get an Epic Scale Centaur?

PM sent.
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Sat Nov 12, 2011 4:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Sentinels in DKoK service.
Swordwind does state however that most of the Baran equipment was developed during the course of the civil war on Krieg, but is no longer used there for a variety of reasons.
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