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PostPosted: Tue Aug 07, 2007 7:31 pm 
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There has been a number of discussions that have touched on the Webway portals available to the Eldar.  On one hand I have heard that the Eldar no longer have the technology to make portals which is why they are so coveted.  On the other hand, there are references in the game to portable Webways.  Most notably would be the Storm Serpent in Epic.  

So can they or can they not be created?

My personal take on it is that the Webway paths that run across the galaxy cannot be created any longer, but the portals can.  If you were to compare this to Stargate, it would be like destroying a Stargate on a planet, then bringing a new stargate to the planet (or near it) and having it work (same 'address' as I recall them calling it).  However, if the path was collapsed to that location, then it could never be accessed again.

Any thoughts?  Am I way off on this or no?  Any citations would be helpful too (but not necessary).

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 3:39 am 
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off the top of my head:
unlike stargates, which make wormholes each time they are activated, the webway is always there, but the stucture is not fixed in a way we can understand, only Harlqins and the Guardins of the black library know how it works and have maps of it.
the portals can be open and closed at a varying amout at the whim of a farseer, but only as large as the webgate can support, a portal can be closed forever but the conection to the webway will still be there but it would just be a dead end,
? ? ?from what i can rember the Old One's made the webway and the Black Libary for the Eldar because it was so dangrous for them to travel in the warp for long periods, even with the Old One tec they would go mad, die or be possessed by a Daemon.
? ? ?and i think i've read someware the the Black Libary is all the Old One's Knowlage, so there should be the information on how to make more bits of webway. plus there's alot of stuff the Eldar added over the countless Millenna and it's also ment to be able to record alot of stuff for it's self but don't ask me how i know this or were all this into comes from :p ?:laugh: dark reses of the mind and all that.
hope that helps.

p.s. i think i've been playing Eldar for to long, it seams i know this stuff to well, need to get a life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 9:12 am 
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As with all GW fluff the webway has mutated more times than an average Tzeentchian Chaos Spawn.

I have always imagined that the webway tunnels are composed of energy but I just bought the "Horus Heresy -Collected Visions"  book and there they say the web tunnels are made of Wraithbone and that there are entire abandoned cities in there.  :glare:  Go figure.

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I have always understood it that the larger webway portals require a higher level of technology, now out of the reach of the Eldar, but that the smaller ones can still be constructed.

Yes, the Eldar represent a pack of Pringles to Daemons, are are hunted if they get anywhere near the Warp, hence the Webway made by the Old Ones.

The Black Library does indeed hold a lot of knowledge, both Old One and gathered since, but I am not sure that it contains all the knowledge.

I always thought of the Webways as underground tunnels - you can make anew entrance if you know how, or cave in an entrance to close, but this just makes a dead end.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 12:49 pm 
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(CyberShadow @ Aug. 08 2007,13:44)
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Yes, the Eldar represent a pack of Pringles to Daemons, are are hunted if they get anywhere near the Warp, hence the Webway made by the Old Ones.

Which flavour?  :p

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In fluff it is said that the large Eldar vessels (Dragonships) to deploy troups on ground if there is portal on the surface available.

Otherwise they go with their Vampire Raiders.

(doom of the eldar pdf / battlefleet gothic)

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 1:57 pm 
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So would everyone agree that the Eldar can make a Webway portal and bring it someplace (such as the Storm Serpent or potentially some other type of portable portal of varying size?

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(Moscovian @ Aug. 08 2007,13:57)
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So would everyone agree that the Eldar can make a Webway portal and bring it someplace (such as the Storm Serpent or potentially some other type of portable portal of varying size?

Yes!

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Well, apart from Storm Serpents, the matter would be simple!

The Storm Serpent, in fact, is not truly a transport. Instead,
its sleek hull mounts a portable portal generator, utilising
the vast amounts of energy which most Eldar super-heavy
grav-tanks channel into weapons to instead create a
shimmering wraithgate amidst the Storm Serpent?s carefully
attuned promontories. The Eldar can access this gate from
almost anywhere within the Webway, though most often use
the Storm Serpents to deploy troops from an orbiting fleet
or even from the craftworld itself. The one limitation of the
Storm Serpent is its size, meaning that nothing much larger
than a Vyper can be deployed by such means.


Personally, I would say that the Storm Serpents do indeed make short-lived webway tunnels - presumably connecting to the "nearest" (in whatever sense that may be) existing tunnel. It seems pretty clear from the description that the wraithgate is created by the Serpent.


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The Webway is a LAN.

Wraithgates are PCs with fibre-optic Broadband (Hardwired).

The Storm Serpent is a Laptop with Wireless LAN capability, logging on to the local Wireless hub. :D





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(Evil and Chaos @ Aug. 11 2007,18:42)
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The Webway is a LAN.

Wraithgates are PCs with fibre-optic Broadband (Hardwired).

The Storm Serpent is a Laptop with Wireless LAN capability, logging on to the local Wireless hub. :D

Now THAT is one good description of how it works!  :D  :D  :D

Would the Craftworlds be hubs, then?

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Thanks, all.  I am writing some stuff gor the Raiders fluff and I wanted to make sure I wasn't going well beyond GW's outlook on things.  As it stands I think it will be just fine.

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(Evil and Chaos @ Aug. 11 2007,17:42)
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The Webway is a LAN.

Wraithgates are PCs with fibre-optic Broadband (Hardwired).

The Storm Serpent is a Laptop with Wireless LAN capability, logging on to the local Wireless hub. :D

Excellent explanation chap!

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