PFE100 wrote:
Thank Evil and Chaos for going easy newbie.
"DC3 would still be hard to balance IMO. Revenant Titans, Cobras, both would greatly benefit."So would a trail run of only deploying 5 cm from the mega wraithgate be an idea ? Or that the mega wraithgate can only be used as the Blitz objective work?
Why have it at all in this list?
Why not give it to a more conventional list, where balance issues won't be compounded by also creating a new style of play?
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"My list's theme concentrates more on the AV's & smaller WE's (the bigger WE's are restricted, or deleted entirely)."
So why the phantom or warlock Titian? I would class these as heavies and IMO would drop them from the list. Yes the argument will be that they are icon of the eldar and add some heavy fire power. You are giving the option to use Cobra or Scorpion and the lynx. That should be enough firepower with a few Revenant Titans.
I did delete the Warlock Titan.
I kept the Phantom Titan because it appears extensively in the Imperial Armour book that I've based this list on ("The Doom of Mymeara").
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"Yme-Loc, to my eye, spreads its net too wide. It has SHT's. It has superGates. It has the Avatar. If I had to make a call, I'd say its primary focus was the Super-Heavies in the form of Titans & SHT's, because that's what the SuperGates synergise with."
If put myself into your shoes then I can see want you talking about and can agree with you, but if I pop another set of shoes on, then I can see it just as AV list with infantry support. It also can be said to be a limited Mechanised Infantry list. It all depends on how you want to build the list.
Yes, it depends on how you want to build the list - because the list has IMO too many options. It can be a whole bunch of different styles of list.
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"Here's the thing - it's easy to say that most craftworlds should have access to most things (Lynxes, Hornets, Warp Hunters, Vampire Hunters, etc.). In practice, doing that either adds imbalances, or ends up with various bloated lists.
So sound like a program/testing issue, if this happens and like most programs the testing is done in a strict environment or under strict control. Since it’s a gaming community shouldn't it be looking at all possible combos, to throw up all possible issues. So adding new items to existing list/s doesn’t cause imbalances.
There should be no reason why a basic list can’t contain all items and not cause a bloated list, I think you are looking at each list having a new item attached. Where it would be better just to add it to the basic list(do the eldar have a basic list ? ) and to the theme list that the new item is mainly for.
No army in Epic has a "basic" list. It's against Epic's design style to have generic "Imperial Guard" or "Eldar" or "Ork" lists in that manner.
Each list in Epic is supposed to represent a specific army type. Thus you get "Steel Legion Imperial Guard" who concentrate on mechanised formations, or "Biel Tan Eldar" who have greater than normal access to Aspect Warriors and a unique tank, etc. Each list is supposed to have a different mix of formations, and units, and a different playstyle.
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"In general, I prefer lists with a tighter focus. I think they're easier to balance, and have more character too."
Everyone to their own, I find that’s some of this can be to blinkers begin applied and the bigger picture is lost.
I'll note again, Epic has no "generic catch-all" lists.
You won't find any "base" list that contains everything one faction can possibly have.
I recommend reading the first page and a bit or so of this article by the designer of Epic for a bit more on this topic:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_Cus ... Freaks.pdfQuote:
"Going easy, I'll say that Eldar lists generally have only 2 host choices, not 4 or more."
Sorry, wants that based on fluff or Intel, something else? Don’t take it the wrong way, I'm trying to see why that’s the case and understand why you think that way. I have not read or seen anything fluff wise that state it should be that way. If anything they should be really force flexible and not restrictive.
The more flexibility you have in a list, the more the core theme is diminished.
If you have total and complete flexibility, you have no theme left at all. :-)
