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Author:  BlackLegion [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:17 pm ]
Post subject:  New Eldar units from IA11
I thought it would be a good idea to collect allstats of the new Eldar units from Imperial Armour 11 in one thread.


According to Imperial Armour 11 i would give the Eldar Phantom Titan the following stats:

Eldar Phantom Titan
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
War Engine 30cm 5+ 3+ 3+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Phantom Missile Launcher 45cm AP4+/AT6+
Phantom AA Launcher 45cm AP4+/AT6+/AA4+
Phantom Starcannon 45cm AP5+/AT6+
0-2 Phantom Pulsar 120cm 4xMW3+ Titan Killer (D3)
0-2 Phantom D-Cannon 75cm 2BP Ignore Cover, Titan Killer (D3+1)
0-1 Titan CC Weapon 45cm AP4+/AT5+
OR (Fist Mounted Starcannons) (15cm) Small Arms Extra Attacks (+1)
OR (Fist Attack) (Base contact) Assault Weapon Extra Attacks (+3) Titan Killer (D3)

Damage Capacity 8. Critical Hit Effect: The holofield projectors mounted on the Phantom's wings is badly damaged and will no longer work. The Phantom loses its holofield save for the rest of thebattle. Any further critical hit will cause an additional point of damage.

Notes: Reinforced Armour, Holofield, Fearless, Walker.. May step over units and impassable or dangerous terrain that is lower than the Titan's knee and up to 2cm wide. Nay be arned with two weapons. The Phantom`s weapon may fire all round due tothe Titan's exceptional manouverability.

Eldar Shadow Spectre
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Infantry 15cm 5+ 6+ 4+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Prism rifles (15cm) Small Arms -
Ghostlight 60cm AT2+ Lance

Notes: Jumppacks, Invulnerable Save, Teleport.

Eldar Warp Hunter
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
D-Cannon 30cm MW5+ -
Aether Rift (15cm) Small Arms Ignore Cover

Notes: Skimmer. The Aether Rift confers the ignore cover ability to the units firefight value.

Eldar Lynx
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
War Engine 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Lynx Pulsar 60cm 2 x MW3+ Fixed Forward Arc
Shuriken Cannon 30cm AP5+ -

Damage Capacity 2. Critical Hit Effect: The Lynx’s gravitic drives implode, sucking nearby troops into an energy maelstrom. The Lynx is destroyed and any model within 5cm of the model suffer one hit on a roll of 6.

Notes: Reinforced Armour, Skimmer.

Or considering that the Malcador is a DC2 WE in Wh40k but is now an AV in Epic:

Eldar Lynx
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Armoured Vehicle 35cm 4+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Lynx Pulsar 60cm 2 x MW3+ Fixed Forward Arc
Shuriken Cannon 30cm AP5+ -

Notes: Reinfoced Armour, Skimmer.

Of course there should be a Sonic Lance version but iirc there are no set stats for the Sonic Lance in Epic.

Eldar Wasp Assault Walker
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Light Vehicle 20cm 6+ 5+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Scatter Laser 30cm AP5+/AT5+ -
Bright Lance 30cm AT5+ Lance

Notes: Jump Packs, Reinforced Armor.


Eldar Hornet
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Light Vehicle 35cm 4+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
2 x Shuriken Cannon 30cm AP5+
OR
2 x Bright Lance 30cm AT5+ Lance

Notes: Skimmer. May be armed with either two Shuriken Cannons OR two Bright Lances. Not all four.
Author:  wargame_insomniac [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 7:33 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Eldar Phantom Titan in AI11
And?

Was this meant as a comparison to Swordwind stats?

Presumably an official GW EA rulebook takes precedence over a FW W40K rulebook....
Author:  Tim_nz [ Sun Mar 25, 2012 10:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
i think maybe BL was just throwing ideas and thought about, not actually implying anything ?
Some of the changes listed are interesting though. and some are pretty extreme.
Author:  GlynG [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:34 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
I think it`s best to politely ignore suggestions to change existing epic units like the Phantom, but most of what BL lists are new units, without epic stats, so discussion of stats for them is appropriate and useful, particularly since good proxies may well appear.

I imagine we could make a variant list for the new craftworld from the book, including these new units, along with possibly an Eldar Corsairs list since the book delves into them as well.
Author:  Steve54 [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
If somebody brough along the Shadow Spectre or AV Lynx with those stats my reaction would - 'haha, I don't think so'
Author:  wargame_insomniac [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
GlynG wrote:
I think it`s best to politely ignore suggestions to change existing epic units like the Phantom, but most of what BL lists are new units, without epic stats, so discussion of stats for them is appropriate and useful, particularly since good proxies may well appear.

I imagine we could make a variant list for the new craftworld from the book, including these new units, along with possibly an Eldar Corsairs list since the book delves into them as well.

I apologise- when I first looked at this thread I just saw the Eldar Phantom stats and I wondered why. There would be no point in using something FW came up with for W40K to justify overturning a long established EA stats.

I had nt noticed the other units which BL has added since- So yes would be appropriate to discuss them. And would be certainly interesting to incorporate some of these new units in future Eldar army lists.

Regards

James
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Quote:
If somebody brough along the Shadow Spectre or AV Lynx with those stats my reaction would - 'haha, I don't think so'

These units came up a while ago in another thread. After Blacklegion's initial 40k translations, we modified them to something more playable:


Eldar Shadow Spectre
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Infantry 25cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Prism rifles (15cm) Small Arms -
Ghostlight 45cm AT4+ Lance

Notes: Jumppacks, Invulnerable Save.

Formation : Intended to be priced as per standard Aspect Warriors

---Personally I wanted FF6+ because AT weapons rarely grant good FF, but was overridden by popular opinion. Ghost light could drop to 3+ if testing showed them to be underpowered.



Eldar Warp Hunter
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
AV 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
twin-linked shuiken catapults (15cm) Small Arms - ignores cover
Warp Hunter D-Cannon 30cm MW4+ TK(1)

Formation of 3 for 225 points?

--- Seems the stats have become less powerful with the book's release, so a reduction in weaponry power & cost could happen.



And the Hornet is in the Saim-Hann army list with:

Eldar Hornet
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
LV 40cm 4+ 5+ 6+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Twin Pulse Laser 45cm AT3+

Notes: Scouts, Skimmer.

Formation : 6 Hornets for 250 Points


----Personally I'd suggest 3 Hornets for a lesser price would be far easier to balance
Note that the only resin weapons this model comes with by default in 40k are pulse lasers.



In addition, here are some more playable Lynx stats:


Eldar Lynx
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
War Engine 35cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Revenant Pulse Laser 45cm 2 x MW3+ Fixed Forward Arc OR
Revenant Sonic Lance 45cm 2BP Disrupt, Ignores Cover, Lance, Fixed Forward Arc
Shuriken Cannon 30cm AP5+ -

Damage Capacity 2. Critical Hit Effect: The Lynx’s gravitic drives implode, sucking nearby troops into an energy maelstrom. The Lynx is destroyed and any model within 5cm of the model suffer one hit on a roll of 6. May have a Pulse Laser or a Sonic Lance, not both.

Notes: Reinforced Armour, Skimmer.

Formation of 3 for ~450 points?
Formation of 1-3 for 150 points each?

Weapon stats pulled from the Titan clan army list.
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Not sure the new walker is different enough from the war walker to warrant statting.

A DC8 Phantom is obviously a non-starter without changing major rules (like changing holofields to 4+ for example) but the weapon stats and available configurations are good to see and could inform development in the Titan clan army list.
Author:  BlackLegion [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
@wargame_insomniac: Sorry there. I just edited in the other units as i realised that a thread only for the Phantom would do no good :)

Yup the Puslar of the Lynx is essentialy the same as the Scorpion and Revenants use. The Phantom has a more powerful version.

The new Wasp Assault Walker is just the same as the War Walker. But it exchanges the Scout ability for Wasp Jet Packs.

As for the DC of the Phantom: The Wh40k Warlod has 9 DC and 14/14/13 armor. The Wh40k Phantom has 8 DC and 13/13/11 armor As well as Enhanced Eldar Titan Holofields. Eldar Titan Holofield grant an 4+ InvulnerableSave while moving. The Enhanced one also works while the Phantom doesn't move and also makes the Phantom only to hit on a 6 in CC. While moving the InvSave turns to 3+.
Driver Stunned and Driver SHaken damage results are also ignored on a 3+ due to Spirit Guides.
And he is actually faster than a non-jumping Revenant.

Wh40k stats for the weapons:
Phantom Pulsar Range 120", Strenght D, Armourpiercing 1, Heavy 4, 5" Blast, Primary Weapon
Phantom D-Cannon Range 72", Strenght D, Armourpiercing 2, Ordnance 1, 10" Blast, Barrage, Primary Weapon
The Phantom D-Cannon bypasses Powerfields and Void Shields.
Phantom Missile Launcher Range 12-48", Strenght 8, Armourpiercing 3, Heavy 4
Phantom AA Laucher Range 12-48", Strenght 7, Armourpiercing 3, Heavy 4, AA Mount
Phantom StarcannonRange 12-48", Strenght 6, Armourpiercing 2, Heavy 4

The Titan CC Weapon has a twin-linked Phantom Starcannon
Author:  mattthemuppet [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:36 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
whilst I'd obviously love to field a Phantom with those stats, I think leaving the current one as is and going with the stats E&C posted for the other units would be a better idea. It's great to get inspiration for new units from the IA and FW stuff, they still need to fit within the EA universe :)
Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Evil and Chaos wrote:
Quote:
Eldar Shadow Spectre
Type Speed Armour CloseCombat Firefight
Infantry 25cm 5+ 6+ 5+
Weapon Range Firepower Notes
Prism rifles (15cm) Small Arms -
Ghostlight 45cm AT4+ Lance

Notes: Jumppacks, Invulnerable Save.

Formation : Intended to be priced as per standard Aspect Warriors

---Personally I wanted FF6+ because AT weapons rarely grant good FF, but was overridden by popular opinion. Ghost light could drop to 3+ if testing showed them to be underpowered.


AT4+ and FF5+ is anything but underpowered. Granted they may not be worth it provided actual points but that still wouldnt make it underpowered, just overpriced.
I haven't play tested this but right off the bad this doesnt feel out of kilter (or as I put it, my "hold up there budday" impluse was not triggered)
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Aye I don't think they're too far out, but it's worth remembering that they'll be double-moving most of the time, unless popping out of Gatesq.
Author:  Steve54 [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 4:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Popping out of gates or in a vampire they would be great though
Author:  Evil and Chaos [ Mon Mar 26, 2012 5:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
Aye. Thus we went for AT4+ last time this unit came up, rather than AT2+. :-)
Author:  BlackLegion [ Thu Mar 29, 2012 5:01 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: New Eldar units from IA11
For comparison:
Pulsar Range 60", Strenght D, Armourpiercing 2, Heavy 2, 5" Blast, Primary Weapon
Distortion Cannon Range 48", Strenght D, Armourpiercing 2, Ordnance 1, 10" Blast, Barrage, Primary Weapon
The Distortion Cannon bypasses Powerfields and Void Shields.

So the Phantoms Pulsar has double the range, Armourpiercing 1 (this gives +1 on vehicle damage shart) and double the number of shots.
The Phantom D-Cannon has +24" range. Btw both D-Cannons have "Barrage". That would be IndirectFire in Epic.

The Revenant is armed with two Pulsars. The Scorpion and Vampire Hunter have a twin-linked Pulsar . The Lynx has a single Pulsar.
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