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Author:  asdepicas [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:18 pm ]
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what kind of use do you give to each of the different aspect warriors? wich combinations seem to work well?
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:10 pm ]
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I think the general builds are all warp spider and all swooping hawk, then normally some mixture of fire dragons, dire avengers and scorpions depending on whether you want to firefight or cc....
Author:  asdepicas [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:27 pm ]
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no love for shining spears? also dark reaper seem interesting, nice firepower and 3+ FF sounds awesome
Author:  kyussinchains [ Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:31 pm ]
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statistically avengers are far better in firefights..... the AP shots are nice however, I tend to think of aspects like marines, getting up close rather than prlonged slugfests..... I forgot about shining spears, I imagine they need to be in a non mixed formation to be at their best.....
Author:  SpeakerToMachines [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:20 am ]
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Personally, I run 8x Fire Dragons. This is mostly for thematic reasons (My Eldar are "Craftworld Phoenix", so anything fiery is in character), but they do work well enough.

Theoretically, Avengers are almost always better, but the Dragons compensate by actually having a shooting attack. So, with two formations it is possible to set up a one-two punch where one formation shoots the target, kills a few units and preps with blastmarkers, then the other formation assaults in FF with support from the first.

I use Vampires and air assault, but Wave serpents should work fine too.

Theoretically again, the same stunt is possible with two formations of 6x Avengers and 2x Reapers+Exarchs. There's less killing power in the prep shooting, but the follow-on firefight should be even more lethal (on average 17+ hits!).
Author:  Spectrar Ghost [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:18 am ]
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I usually run 2x Reaper Exarchs and 6x Avengers, or sometimes replace 2 Avengers with Fire Dragons.
Author:  Steve54 [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:56 am ]
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2 fire dragon exarchs, 2 reapers and 4 avengers for me. Reapers provide shooting if they end up out of postion after the initial assault
Author:  Mephiston [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:33 pm ]
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I also think it varies depending on how you plan to deliver them, gate, wave serpent or vampire.
Author:  Ginger [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:42 pm ]
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As others have said. The least used are Howling Banshees, arguably the most powerfull are Warp Spiders because of Infiltrator and First Strike. When using a 'fast attack' list, I nearly always use Shining Spears with the Avatar as it allows the commander ability to bring in other formations for a big assault at distance (up to 50 cms away). Spears really like to take on Leman Russ formations, and if combined with other bikes or Guardians in WS they can even ruin a titan's day :)

The other aspects can be mixed together to emphasise CC, FF, shooting, armour and mobility. The favourites are 4x Striking Scorpions with 4x Dire Avengers for a heavy assault that also provides good support capabilities. And you can use some Swooping Hawks or Shining spears to reduce the cost of mobilising the formation.

Following on from Steve's thoughts, a good shooting formation might be 2x Fire Dragons and 2x Dark Reapers with 4x Striking Scorpions.

My favourite is 2x Fire Dragons, 3x Striking Scorpions and 3x Dire Avengers for a heavy assault that also provides good support capabilities and some shooting.
Author:  mattthemuppet [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:48 pm ]
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for Vampire delivery, 4x scorpions + 4x dire avengers works very well, especially if you're attacking anything that has poor CC values. 8 strong warp spider fms are very nasty in this role too, especially as jump packs give them a bit more flexibility in disembarking (eg. if the vampire can just stay out of an AA bubble but the aspects can still get into combat)

for wave serpents, I've used 2 dark reapers (1 exarch, 1 autarch), 2 firedragons, 2 dire avengers and 2 scorpions. The scorpions are really useful defensively due to their superior armour value (4+ vs. 5+ for the rest). Makes for a really tough and nasty BTS. You could go for 4 dire avengers or 4 fire dragons instead though.

for the gate, all shining spears (relatively cheap autarch fm) or all warp spiders, especially if you have a storm serpent - creates a large exclusion around your wraithgate

swooping hawks. meh, I've never had much luck with these. They always pick up BMs, die like flies and any half sensible opponent can protect against their anti-artillery antics easily enough. I'd rather pay the extra 200pts and pick up a vampire with warpspiders.
Author:  kyussinchains [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:37 pm ]
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has it ever been 'ruled' one way or the other whether fire dragon exarchs get an extra MW ff attack?

I seem to recall some debate.......
Author:  Steve54 [ Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:53 pm ]
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In EpicUK events they do
Author:  Morgan Vening [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:07 am ]
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I know one of our local players used to use 2 or 4 Shining Spears to mitigate some of the cost of Wave Serpent mounted Aspect Warrior Formations. Saving 50-100pts on what would normally be a 550pt formation, can free up points for another formation, or help towards tailoring a BTS.

If I ever went into Eldar, I'd be tempted to try 6 Spears and a pair of Avenger Exarchs in a Wave Serpent. Not sure how useful it'd be, but I like the concept, theorywise.

Morgan Vening
Author:  mattthemuppet [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 3:40 am ]
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kyussinchains wrote:
has it ever been 'ruled' one way or the other whether fire dragon exarchs get an extra MW ff attack?

I seem to recall some debate.......


not as per NetEA rules. As the +1EA is added to the stand, not the weapon, only Aspects that have an ability in the troop stat line (like the First Strike of Warp Spiders) have that ability added to the +1EA. As the MW of the Fire Dragons is a weapon ability, Fire Dragon exarchs don't get a MW EA. It could be argued either way (it's a Fire Pike for goodness' sake!) but thems the rules and it's one reason why you don't see many Fire Dragon exarchs in NetEA lists.
Author:  asdepicas [ Tue Dec 20, 2011 2:56 pm ]
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Morgan Vening wrote:
I know one of our local players used to use 2 or 4 Shining Spears to mitigate some of the cost of Wave Serpent mounted Aspect Warrior Formations. Saving 50-100pts on what would normally be a 550pt formation, can free up points for another formation, or help towards tailoring a BTS.

If I ever went into Eldar, I'd be tempted to try 6 Spears and a pair of Avenger Exarchs in a Wave Serpent. Not sure how useful it'd be, but I like the concept, theorywise.

Morgan Vening


bikes being transported in a wave serpent... is it possible?
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