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| Author: | Man of kent [ Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Looking for peoples experience using Revenants in 3k games...using the NET EA list I've got this: WRAITHGATE - 50 AVATAR - 0 GUARDIAN WARHOST - 350 Farseer 7x Guardians +3 Support Weapon Platforms +3x Wraithguard GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians RANGER TROUPE - 125 5x Ranger WAR WALKER TROUPE - 175 5x War Walker WINDRIDER TROUPE - 200 5x Jetbike Vyper SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 3x Falcon 2x Fire Storm ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 Cobra ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 Cobra REVENANT TITANS - 650 2 Revenant Titans I've gone with the Cobra's as they add even more AA on the ground and I wanted to avoid taking nightwings (or any air) to make any points my opponent spends on flak useless whilst having plenty of AA cover on the ground myself. If I use the Ulthwe list (colour of my army) I could drop 100pts from somewhere (drop a ranger, War Walker and a Wraithguard for 110?) in order to pull a supreme commander out of my hat somewhere? Supposedly I'd be Strategy Rating 5 with Ulthwe too... |
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| Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Hi Ryan, I love them. They are fragile, but careful placement and even the odd chance of sustaining with Revenants is devestating for your opponent. I tend to use the revenants as support for my main formations and wouldn't use cobras in the same list. Instead I would have another Swords of Vaul (for the AA) and 250 on whatever you like. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
models restrict me in this case...but here we go: WRAITHGATE - 50 AVATAR - 0 GUARDIAN WARHOST - 300 Farseer 7x Guardians +3 Support Weapon Platforms +2x Wraithguard GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians RANGER TROUPE - 125 5x Ranger WAR WALKER TROUPE - 175 5x War Walker SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 4x Falcon Fire Storm SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE - 295 2x Fire Storm 3x Fire Prism ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 Cobra WINDRIDER TROUPE - 200 6x Jetbike REVENANT TITANS - 650 2 Revenant Titans better? I've only got one more firestorm! |
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| Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
I would say so, do you have any Vipers, these allow the Windriders to be a more general purpose formation. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Aye...stick one in there. |
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| Author: | mattthemuppet [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
I've found them to fragile enough that I have to pooh pooh around with them, never really making my points back. I'd much rather dump the windriders and get a warlock titan instead, that thing's a monster. or a storm serpent, guardians w/ wraithguard and a fm of 4 rangers instead 
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| Author: | Dave [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
The only time I remember you fielding them was against White Scars. |
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| Author: | mattthemuppet [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
I tried them against a couple of the Ozzies (vs. IG and vs. Space Doggies) and even though I won both games, it wasn't due to the Revenants. |
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| Author: | Dave [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Does it have something to do with you never loosing a game, ever? |
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| Author: | mattthemuppet [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
ha ha ha ha hoo hoo hoo, coming from you Dave, that's funny there is a reason why the prizes at NeatIII.V were called the Dice of Dave.. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 9:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Hey! We have dice too! I'm changing my name! The warlock is a VERY common choice on the UK tourney scene and I really really like the old revenant models so that's what I'm going with :-) TIM: do you think you could expand on why you wouldn't use cobra's? The extra AA shot and TK ability really do if for me in this case. Without the revenants I'd even field 2-3 of them as a sqaudron! R> |
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| Author: | Moscovian [ Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
That Cobra AA shot is good for laying a BM and not much else. It hits on a 6+ and a 7+ on the disengage. There are good reasons to take the Cobra but the AA isn't one of them. Experience with the Revenants is so-so for me. I find them very fragile, but if you have a city board to play on (or tall hills) you can take advantage of terrain with the move-shoot-move bouncy attack. Trees tend not to be tall enough to protect them. IMO the best reason to take Revenants is because they look freakin' cool and they are bound to distract your enemy with their legendary (misplaced?) prowess. Keep them just out of reach and your opponent will probably put way too much energy into breaking them while you go on objective hunts in turn 3. If you play them too aggressively you can expect your BTS to vaporize. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Thanks Mosc: I agree with you about the cobra AA so am replacing ONE of them for now to give the list a try: luckily for us in the UK we just play it pretty much blanket across the board that all area terrain blocks line of sight so I shouldn't have that problem with the revenants: your tips on playing with them should prove most valuable :-) For now I have TWO choices of list it would seem. I can use either NET EA or the GW version. GW Version is below (comments after that): ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WRAITHGATE - 50 AVATAR - 0 GUARDIAN WARHOST - 350 Farseer 7x Guardians +3 Wraithguard +3 Support Weapon Platforms GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians RANGER TROUPE - 100 4x Ranger WAR WALKER TROUPE - 200 6 Warwalkers FALCON TROUPE - 250 3x Falcon 2x Fire Storm FIRE PRISM TROUPE - 250 3 Fire Prisms ENGINES OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 Cobra WINDRIDER TROUPE - 200 4x Jetbike 2x Vyper REVENANT TITANS - 650 2 Revenant Titans ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ On the plus here that means that my Fire Prism's are still nasty AA units too but they are only a formation of 3 but, hey, 60cm worth of AA isn't to be sniffed at. I also get a beefier ground pounding guardian formation this way. No supreme commander. |
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| Author: | Man of kent [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Then we switch to the NetEA version: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ WRAITHGATE - 50 AVATAR - 0 GUARDIAN WARHOST - 300 Farseer 6x Guardians Heavy Weapon Platform +2x Wraithguard +3 Support Weapon Platforms GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians GUARDIAN WARHOST (WAVE SERPENTS) - 350 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents 7x Guardians RANGER TROUPE - 125 5x Ranger WAR WALKER TROUPE - 175 5x War Walker WINDRIDER TROUPE - 200 4x Jetbike 2x Vyper SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 4x Falcon Fire Storm SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE - 295 2x Fire Storm 3x Fire Prism ENGINE OF VAUL TROUPE - 250 Cobra REVENANT TITANS - 650 2 Revenant Titans ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Less wraithguard, more guardians for the grounpounders, more rounded scout formations, an extra firestorm and I COULD put one of the fireprisms ins the OTHER swords of vaul troupe to give them a bit more ranged kick too. STILL no Supreme commander! Not thinking switching to the Ultwhe list is much worth is but there is still that question of getting a supreme in the guardians and an extra pip of Strategy Rating (in fact can anyone confirm, deny, or tell me why Ulthwe get that, is it "official"?) |
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| Author: | Tiny-Tim [ Tue Nov 30, 2010 10:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Experience with Revenant based lists? (3K) |
Hi Ryan, You've asked about my not using a cobra. I have done in the past, but you have to have the feeling that you are going to play against an army where you will the best out of it. The weapon is very specialisted and designed to take down titans. This it is very good at, but you need to position the cobra at the end of one turn and sustain at the beginning of the next to get the best effect. Against higher strat armies your opponent will either sustain first or just move away. Against lower strat armies this can work. The other area where the cobra is great is hunting Marines. This is because the weapon uses the barrage template and the benefits of shooting at infantry. I just prefer to spend my points on engaging formations or Stormserpents. As Mosc has said one of the benefits of Revenants is that you don't end up throwing your BTS directly at your opponent as you would with a Warlock. |
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