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Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:35 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
This version has been updated by Chroma. Please feel free to voice your opinions and suggestions.

EDIT - Updated to v1.3.1
Author:  Flogus [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:25 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
I haven't read the previous Iybraesil topic, so sorry if I speak about things allready discussed.

Dire Avengers Warhost : 250pts, typo or great discount ?

I am not convinced with the "+2 exachs for +65pts" on Aspect Troupes. I would have leave the "2 exarchs option" on warhost, like others Eldar variants.

25pts for a Warwalker, it is a great discount !
And I would have left them in a fixed formation of 6.

No option to swap Night Spinner into a Firestorm in Night Spinner Troupe ?
In your list, there a few AA possibility : lone Firestorm in Sword of Vaul, Cobras, titans and aircrafts.
Author:  Chroma [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:28 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 20:25 )

Dire Avengers Warhost : 250pts, typo or great discount ?

The 250 is intended... you can only get one per two other Guardian Warhosts and you can't mix in any other Aspects...

25pts for a Warwalker, it is a great discount !
And I would have left them in a fixed formation of 6.

That's a typo, it's supposed to be 35 points a Walker!  *laugh*
Author:  Flogus [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:31 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Chroma @ 26 Mar. 2009, 21:28 )

The 250 is intended... you can only get one per two other Guardian Warhosts and you can't mix in any other Aspects...

There is no mention of this limitation in the v1.3 list.

There is also no mention of special rules Iybraesil follow.
Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:36 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 14:31 )

There is no mention of this limitation in the v1.3 list.

There is also no mention of special rules Iybraesil follow.

Oops...

Yeah it's supposed to be for every two Guardian Hosts taken you may include a Dire Avenger Host.

Edit: No real special rules just army composition changes. The flavor of this list is centered on the grunts (Guardians). The change is subtle, but when you use it you'll immediately recognize that different tactics are needed to be successful with it.
Author:  Flogus [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:37 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
IMO, the text of the Autarch entry is not very well worded : If an Autarch is taken then ... ... As the Autarch is a mandatory choice, there is no "if an Autarch is taken" : the Autarch is always taken.

So I would say : "If the Autarch joins a Dire Avenger Warhost then he counts as one of the Exarchs in the formation".
Author:  Chroma [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:39 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Posting an update now...
Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:41 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 14:37 )

IMO, the text of the Autarch entry is not very well worded : If an Autarch is taken then ... ... As the Autarch is a mandatory choice, there is no "if an Autarch is taken" : the Autarch is always taken.

So I would say : "If the Autarch joins a Dire Avenger Warhost then he counts as one of the Exarchs in the formation".

Good call.
Author:  Chroma [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:42 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Update posted.
Author:  semajnollissor [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:44 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Which only leads to the question: why do you have to take an autarch?

I seems odd that this would be the only Eldar list that forces you to take a supreme commander.
Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:47 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 14:25 )

25pts for a Warwalker, it is a great discount !
And I would have left them in a fixed formation of 6.

The Warwalkers at 6 per troupe left them expensive and rarely taken. With a variable number the points cost drops making them more accessible and hopefully more versatile.
Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (semajnollissor @ 26 Mar. 2009, 14:44 )

Which only leads to the question: why do you have to take an autarch?

I seems odd that this would be the only Eldar list that forces you to take a supreme commander.

It's something That I wanted to do from a fluff perspective. This army is mainly made up of citizen soldiers, not professionals like Biel-Tan.

The Eldar wouldn't commit their citizens to battle without the leadership of one of it's Autarchs.
Author:  Flogus [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:50 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Chroma @ 26 Mar. 2009, 21:28 )

Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 20:25 )

Dire Avengers Warhost : 250pts, typo or great discount ?

The 250 is intended... you can only get one per two other Guardian Warhosts and you can't mix in any other Aspects...

I just think about it : why do Saim-Hann Shinning Spears Warhost cost 300pts ? The Saim-Hann limitation is very same : no Aspect mixing possibility and number limited by Wild Riders Warhost (1 per 1, ok, not like 1 per 2 of the Iybraesil Dire Avenger Warhost), and Saim-Hann Shinning Spears are also limited by the Strategy Rating 3.

Well, for the same reason I think 300pts is the right cost for the Saim-Hann Shinning Spears Warhost, 300pts is the right cost for a Iybraesil Dire Avenger Warhost.

All things equal, a same army choose in Alaitoc (ok, bad exemple because there is no Aspect Warhost in Alaitoc army), Biel-Tan or Iybraesil should cost the same.
Author:  Flogus [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:56 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
From v1.3.1 : Iybraesil follows all other Craftworld Eldar rules

Even Alaitoc "Trailblazing", or Ulthwé "The Path Less Travelled" ? :p

Just mention : "Farsight", "Hit and Run Tactics", "May Not Garrison" and "Eldar Technology".
Author:  Malakai [ Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:59 pm ]
Post subject:  [OLD] Iybraesil v1.3.1
Quote: (Flogus @ 26 Mar. 2009, 14:50 )

I just think about it : why do Saim-Hann Shinning Spears Warhost cost 300pts ? The Saim-Hann limitation is very same : no Aspect mixing possibility and number limited by Wild Riders Warhost (1 per 1, ok, not like 1 per 2 of the Iybraesil Dire Avenger Warhost), and Saim-Hann Shinning Spears are also limited by the Strategy Rating 3.

Well, for the same reason I think 300pts is the right cost for the Saim-Hann Shinning Spears Warhost, 300pts is the right cost for a Iybraesil Dire Avenger Warhost.

All things equal, a same army choose in Alaitoc (ok, bad exemple because there is no Aspect Warhost in Alaitoc army), Biel-Tan or Iybraesil should cost the same.

I disagree, but this is an early experimental list and you may be right.

However, it's hard to argue that Dire Avengers are as effective as Shining Spears. SS are (IMO) far more versatile and effective on the battlefield.

There was a discussion a while back about universal points costs for troops in different lists. Some felt that the same type of troop should be costed the same no matter what list they are in.

Myself, Chroma, and a few others disagree. We feel that to properly cost a formation in a list you have to look at its worth to the army it is in. Some formations perform better than others in different armies.

Personally I'd like to see us get away from "blanket, standardized points-cost" formations.
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