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Reentering a Webway portal
hazpak
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:16 am 
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As the title and description says can the eldar player move forces that have appeared form a webway portal (storm serpent in this case) back into the webway for redeployment the next turn. This came up in a game last night - the rules only talk about deploying from the portals not reentering them but since it didn't say they were a one way street we allowed the move.

Is there a ruling on this i have missed at all?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:57 am 
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Under tournament rules the Eldar may only deploy from the Webway, not back in.

However, scenarios on that would be quite  challenge, especially with multiple portals at your disposal.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:38 am 
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it's an intresting idea, but the only problem i can see is that the wraithgate may not be attacked or destroyed, so the cost of them in any scenarios would probley have to be inreased, but storm serpents would be ok

and also it would be in theme for biel-tan.

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hazpak
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:56 am 
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(Moscovian @ Nov. 27 2006,23:57)
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Under tournament rules the Eldar may only deploy from the Webway, not back in.

Well Ok then he would have had to just take the russes down the throat then - good to know.

I agree it would make an interesting scenario.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 9:38 am 
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As each gate can only be used once per turn I'd suggest you would need two serpents to get round this.

However I don't think this is what is intended as it creates an effect the sames as the  eternal air assault, that is not allowed, into the eldar list.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:08 pm 
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That is how I have always understood the portals to work and did convey that last night to Rob, did I not haz?

By the same token I am forming the opinion that 250 points for a one way trip makes me wonder how many Eldar players bother really. At this point in time I'm thinking it is just another nice model for the collection.
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(demigamer @ Nov. 28 2006,12:08)
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That is how I have always understood the portals to work and did convey that last night to Rob, did I not haz?

By the same token I am forming the opinion that 250 points for a one way trip makes me wonder how many Eldar players bother really. At this point in time I'm thinking it is just another nice model for the collection.

Its one way of delivering an assault formation that can't be hurt before it activates. Plus you bring along 3 FF4+ support attacks.

And yes on many occaisions my assualt force has failed the retain and simply walked out to be killed!
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:31 pm 
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(demigamer @ Nov. 28 2006,12:08)
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That is how I have always understood the portals to work and did convey that last night to Rob, did I not haz?

By the same token I am forming the opinion that 250 points for a one way trip makes me wonder how many Eldar players bother really. At this point in time I'm thinking it is just another nice model for the collection.

I'm planning to use 2 of them in my Iyanden 3000pt army. It's much cheaper than 300pts of Waveserpant for each Wraithguard formation, and more importantly it also works for Wriathlords. remember they can realease a unit a turn. So if one of them dies you can bring out all your units through the other one or the wraithgate.

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Its one way of delivering an assault formation that can't be hurt before it activates. Plus you bring along 3 FF4+ support attacks.



Wouldn't know Meph, it's never survived that long to find out. :(


And yes on many occaisions my assualt force has failed the retain and simply walked out to be killed!


Could you not choose to stay in the web if you fail to retain?

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That's why I take two with my Ulthwe list and a Gate. If the SS are destroyed I still have the option of using the gate.

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(Tiny-Tim @ Nov. 28 2006,13:33)
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That's why I take two with my Ulthwe list and a Gate. If the SS are destroyed I still have the option of using the gate.

Tim

Sounds good to me. What's in the rest of your army? any pictures?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:29 pm 
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Here is what happened in the Game with hazpak!

Russ formation hit by Night Spinners and take 4 blast markers!

My NEXT initiative, a Storm Serpent doubles to shoot at the Russ, Does nothing. I retain the initiative, send out the Fire Dragon Host from the ss's gate. Using it up for that turn!! The FD's shoot with their MW's and break the Russ.

NEXT TURN REPEAT! NEXT TURN!

I win Int, and the FD's move throught the same ss's gate they came out of last turn. Using it up for this turn!

The Fd's are back on the Craftworld/Webway staging point ready to be re-gated next turn!

I say Eldar in Epic can do this! Read the Swordwind Book and any and all Eldar fluff for 40k and Epic! The Eldar move out of their gates. Attack without warning.Then return though the gate unable to be harmed! They also withdraw and retreat to and through their gatew!

So in Epic [and 40k] I thinkthat Elsdar should be able to withdraw and reteat into the webway if a gate is near by!

It Is supported by their background fluff!

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However the rules state you may enter play through a portal and never say you may exit via them. If it doesn't say you can do something you can't just assume you can because it feels right. I would love the ability to re-enter the portal. But you just can't unless you make a house rule.

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Farseer Athe'Iyshan
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The rules not state I cannot re-enter. So going off stated Eldar Background!

I can have my Eldar units re-enter the webway!!!

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