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[Dark Eldar]Fleet of Foot Special Rule final draft
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:47 am 
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As brought up on this thread here is the final draft for the fleet of foot special rule to be applied to the Dark Eldar list.

Fleet of Foot
With eons in which to practice pirating techniques upon the mon-keigh of the galaxy, the Dark Kin have honed the skill of squeezing every bit of advantage from a lightning style attack. To represent this, Dark Eldar formations do not incur the typical penalties that other races would when on marching orders. ?Marched formations may lend fire support in assaults, help claim a crossfire bonus, and even fire flak shots. ?


I'm looking for the following:
Is the rule clearly written? ?If not, can you give suggestions on how to write it better?
Can you foresee any problems with the rule mechanically?
Can you foresee any problems with the rule balance-wise?
Playtesting is important both for testing this rule and the list in general. ?If posting a batrep, can you please indicate when the fleet of foot rule played a part in the game?

My intention is to give the list a general bump in power that I don't believe can be accomplished by shifting around points, armaments, or or formation compositions.  As pointed out on the previous thread, the flak shot might be a problem with other lists, but being the DE have exactly ONE ground flak unit (the 750pt Executor) I don't see this being an issue.  :D

FYI - The fleet of foot will bring the Dark Eldar list up to four special rules (the same as the Eldar).

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:03 am 
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I'm looking for the following:
Is the rule clearly written?  If not, can you give suggestions on how to write it better?

Seems pretty clear. Simple and effetive.

Can you foresee any problems with the rule mechanically?
Not yet, but it makes DE bit more deadly. When sometimes playing against them, just keeping out from barges support range (75cms) is not too easy and now it is 105cms. maybe we see now more march+slavebringer combos more. Still I think you can?t broke anything with this rule.

Can you foresee any problems with the rule balance-wise?
I really can?t because DE were in need of something small, and maybe this is it.

Playtesting is important both for testing this rule and the list in general.  If posting a batrep, can you please indicate when the fleet of foot rule played a part in the game?
I'm really waiting for it, to have my kabal in war again. :p

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:19 pm 
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Originally posted by Moscovian

To represent this, Dark Eldar formations do not incur the typical penalties that other races would when on marching orders.


Although you do go on to specifically list the penalties this rule intends to negate, I would replace the above quote with ". . . do not incur some of the penalties . . . Specifically, . . .", since presumably 'not being able to conduct ranged fire' is not something you want to negate but which is something most people would consider the penalty for marching.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:26 pm 
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(Heavens To Betsy @ Nov. 27 2007,12:19)
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since presumably 'not being able to conduct ranged fire' is not something you want to negate but which is something most people would consider the penalty for marching.

Well, "Shooting" isn't allowed in March anymore than it is in Engage... each order specifies the sub-actions you can take with it.  The extra penalties for Marching are deliniated elsewhere, so mentioning "still no shooting" seems redundent... but precise meaning is probably the best.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:27 pm 
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If we want to clarify the ranged fire thing, then maybe add a final sentence. Ranged fire attacks are still not allowed after a march move.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:30 pm 
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You don't want a change to the marching rules, you want a change to the double rules.

Just re-word it as "When taking a double action Dark Eldar Formations may choose to make one additional move instead of shooting. There, everything allowed. Another option for the Dark Eldar, does waht you seem to want ti to do and will cover with situations where doubling or marching become important qualifiers (one you can do other stuff, the other you can't).

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Marched formations may lend fire support in assaults, help claim a crossfire bonus, and even fire flak shots.

I thought this inclusive list (it only mentions three things) would make it pretty obvious but if there is one person who can misinterpret it then there are a dozen more right behind him.  The addition of "Ranged fire attacks are still not allowed after a march move" is probably the easiest way to keep any confusion away.

The double-move modification strikes me as a bit odd but I don't know why.  Anyone else think the rule would be better written this way instead of the march modification way?  Ultimately we are talking about the same result mechanically so this is really a matter of what will read better.  Personally I'd like to stick with the march modification but if the majority of the people like Tepoc's suggestion better then we can do that instead.  My only mandate is that it needs to be easy to understand.

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That's a pretty interesting idea, and does cover everything we want. So, how about:

Fleet of Foot
With eons in which to practice pirating techniques upon the mon-keigh of the galaxy, the Dark Kin have honed the skill of squeezing every bit of advantage from a lightning style attack. To represent this, Dark Eldar formations may choose to take a third movement instead of shooting when taking a double action.

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(TheLimey @ Nov. 27 2007,18:45)
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To represent this, Dark Eldar formations may choose to take a third movement instead of shooting when taking a double action.

"Oy, Rimmer, if they can make three moves, why's it called a 'Double'?" ? :D

I do like it though, keeps "March" distinct and prevents debate of "can they/can't they" over the March restrictions.

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(Chroma @ Nov. 27 2007,13:48)
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"Oy, Rimmer, if they can make three moves, why's it called a 'Double'?" ? :D

Think of it as like pouring yourself a double scotch at home, as opposed to at the pub... :D

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The problem I see is exactly the same thing as with the march writeup. ?Somebody is going to say, "Well, can I still fire my flak shot? ?Can I perform a crossfire maneuver? Can I lend support?" ?Now the rule has to be...

Fleet of Foot
With eons in which to practice pirating techniques upon the mon-keigh of the galaxy, the Dark Kin have honed the skill of squeezing every bit of advantage from a lightning style attack. To represent this, Dark Eldar formations may choose to take a third movement instead of shooting when taking a double action. Formations may perform all actions they normally would be allowed when making a normal double-move (i.e. crossfire, lending support, flak shot).

Without that clarification some people will undoubtedly get confused. ?Keep in mind we want to be able to convey not just the mechanics but the intent behind them. ?Will people be able to appreciate the advantage as much written as a double-move modification? ?I'm not convinced. ?It seems way too subtle for my tastes. ?Either you are forced to clarify it (which makes it long and unwieldy) or you leave it simple and require the player to really identify the potential behind the special rule.

Also the march writeup in a sense simplifies the rules by removing a complication - don't worry about these three restrictions you had to think about before.  It is less to think about, not more.  The double writeup complicates a move by adding something else to your options.

I know I'm back peddling but I really dislike it the more I think about it. ?No offense to Tepoc or the people who think it is clever, but I want a new DE player to pick up the rules and say, "Hey, here is a special rule that allows me to do THIS." ?The whole thing is ripe with subtle distinction but ultimately I want the list to be as easy to play as possible. ?I think we're going to be better off with the march description modified with that short sentence.

Please don't take this as me not listening. ?I still do want feedback however on mechanics, balance, etc.

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I'm terribly hurt... :D

I don't see why you need to add the other line. A double move already allows these things, and this is still a double move, not a march.

However, if you want to add to it to clarify, I don't think it is that unwieldy as you wrote it.

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I have to agree, I found it simpler to think of the rule as a variant of marching, rather than an interesting option for double moves.

How about:

Fleet of Foot
With eons in which to practice pirating techniques upon the mon-keigh of the galaxy, the Dark Kin have honed the skill of squeezing every bit of advantage from a lightning style attack. To represent this, Dark Eldar formations do not incur the typical penalties that other races would when on marching orders.  Marched formations may lend fire support in assaults, help claim a crossfire bonus, and even fire flak shots but still may not shoot at any point during the march as normal  

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Well, we don't need to add the line about not being able to shoot to the march description either.  I want to clarify it though to address concerns like the one brought up by Heavens to Betsy.

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