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Author:  vanvlak [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:06 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Hi all,
I've got this Dark Eldar bee in my bonnet at the moment. I'm making my own interpretation of the DE for Epic, with skimmers, wheeled vehicles, and small Titans, and have no plans to make a dedicated army list, unless I do it by borrowing bits of rules for existing vehicles. But I'm really curious to know how the DE are viewed in Epic - should they be there at all?
Vote away!  :alien:
Author:  MaksimSmelchak [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Hi John,

I wouldn't use wheeled vehicles. Only one Eldar vehicle has ever been wheeled to my knowledge and that was a NetEpic vehicle. I seem to recall that it was called the "unicorn" or something like that.

The Dark Eldar are a raider force and wheeled transport wouldn't seem to make sense for them. As is they probably use webways for most of their transport so larger vehicles wouldn't make sense.

Titans and larger skimmers / grav vehicles would be pretty rare as those sorts of forces have low strategic mobility and raider forces are all about mobility.

Just my two Kopecks!

Shalom,
Maksim-Smelchak.

P.S.
There have been a number of Dark Eldar conversions over the years... mostly using Eldar and chaos bitz.
Author:  CyberShadow [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:45 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
I agree that wheeled units are not the way to go. It would be nice to have the DE represented in EA. Titans probably shouldnt be seen, but I am thinking of large 'palaces to pain'...
Author:  Legion 4 [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Either way ... models made or proxies ... but we need to get the "S&M" stuff out ... that should go on another web site ! :oops: :blush:  I have a couple of DE Warhosts ... using mostly E40K stuff. And instead of an Avatar they has a G/D of Slannesh (old G/W Familiar, like all my other G/Ds - pics were posted with my Chaos sweep !)  :D
Author:  MC23 [ Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:39 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
There was a fan list Someone (I forgot who) that Tepoc had brought to attention on the old EPIC Forum. Good start for a list, sorry I didn't save it. Unfortunately It caused a huge debate on whether it should exist in EPIC. Some said they would never exist in that size (makes poor pretty weak raiding parties if they only had a 40K sized force raiding settlements IMO). Then there was a debate over discussing a list that wasn't on a the original development roster and that wasn't going to be supported by Specialist Games (that part turned ugly). Of course very little is supported now so that argument isn't as strong as it once was.

So here's what I'll say. Dark Eldar is a pure hobbyist army. It will only be supported by player made conversions so it will be completely from scratch army (I've been saving up old Eldar w/ lasguns for this or Exodites). Dark Eldar are raiding force, not a warring force. This should  place army strength (if tournament points are assigned) having Dark Eldar on the weaker side of the game balance issue (if a balanced army falls in between 45-55% win ration, DE should be around 45%). Because DE are Raiders no Titans or WE should be expected. If they had a 2DC vehicle, it would be impressive. I'd also go as far right now and say if GW or FW doesn't make a model for it, we shouldn't create anything new to fill in gaps. We don't have any say with GW's Intellectual Properties (and you know how they get touchy about that).

That said I'm willing to help out as much as I can. I will always support everything Eldar.
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:07 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Although I probably won't build a Dark Eldar army, I do feel they have a place in Epic.
Author:  Xisor [ Sun Dec 25, 2005 6:26 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Alike Dwarf Supreme, though I'm unlikely to play them(almost as unlikley as playing Epic anyway), I feel they deserve a place. If they can commit to boarding actions, planetary assaults and the like in BFG, then an Epic force IMO is a bit of a daft argument: Obviously it happens.

That said, I'd also be half inclined to side with MC23s points on the subject. He makes good sense.

Xisor
Author:  vanvlak [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:44 am ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
[quote="MC23,24 Dec. 2005 (15:39)"][/quote]
RRRight! I didn't coment before so as to give time for some feedback to come in. I frankly wasn't surprised that the first option wouldn't be the most popular - nicely put, MC23:
Some said they would never exist in that size (makes poor pretty weak raiding parties if they only had a 40K sized force raiding settlements IMO).

I actually expected more people to go with the 'clean' Eldar ?list asaption.
As for models - I have no doubt that DE will never see light officially in Epic - although it would be nice. What could be done is:
1 - hope to find some other 6mm range which can be used as proxies, which would not be Raiders, Ravagers etc, but which would provide a suitable and Dark Eldritch and uniform army appearance - I wonder if twisting Dark Realm's boss' arm would work ( ?:D ?:p )
2 - use 'counts as' models from a wide range of - uh - ranges.

As for my use of wheeled vehicles and Titans - don't get me wrong, I like the idea of a Comorragh defence or expeditionary force, which is highly specialised, panders to my tastes, but would not, as Maksim, CS, MC23 and practically everybody pointed out, clearly represent the DE. Don't worry, I don't expect anyone to conform to my own weird brand of ideas.
:alien: My buggies are a special force unit, and the Titans - well,I always felt that Slaaneshi titans and Knights were too dissimilar to Human machines to be corrupt versions of them - so I''d say they could be Eldar - or, to suit my purpose, Dark Eldar. And the DE sliding towards Slaanesh is practically GW's Dark Elf Slaaneshi cults.
The vehicles which could be used would (as L-4 commented elsewhere) Eldar X-vehicles (pity they're so rare!), the old eEldar Epic SM era range, a few Chaos types, perhaps. This all depends on the direction an army list would take.
So - thatnks for the support - and watch out for a new DE poll!

MC23, I agree with all you said - thanks. And CS - palace of pain? Sounds good!

In Comorragh did CyberShade,
A mighty pleasure dome decree....
Author:  Legion 4 [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Thanks "V" !  It's good to be remembered ! :;):
Author:  vanvlak [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Quote (Legion 4 @ 26 Dec. 2005 (16:52))
Thanks "V" ! ?It's good to be remembered ! :;):

L-4, you're a veritable mine of military info and - of late - model pics. One of the epic heritage reserves, I'd say!  :D
Author:  primarch [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Hi!

In NetEpic they are included in the Eldar book. Sorta like an offshoot, like exodites. I never thought they were a big enough force for their own army list.

Primarch
Author:  vanvlak [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Quote (primarch @ 26 Dec. 2005 (18:48))
Hi!

In NetEpic they are included in the Eldar book. Sorta like an offshoot, like exodites. I never thought they were a big enough force for their own army list.

Primarch

Hi Primarch,
that's strange - I didn't find the DE.... hold on, v4.1 isn't the latest, is it?

later....

ok, found them in v5.0
Looks good.  :D
Author:  primarch [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Hi!

Vanvlak, the latest is 5.0. It was not included in 4.1. It was a separate file back then. Our editor placed them in the same eldar book for 5.0.

Primarch
Author:  vanvlak [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:57 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Quote (primarch @ 26 Dec. 2005 (18:56))
Hi!

Vanvlak, the latest is 5.0. It was not included in 4.1. It was a separate file back then. Our editor placed them in the same eldar book for 5.0.

Primarch

See above - found 'em!
Thanks Primarch.  :D
Author:  primarch [ Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Dark Eldar
Hi!

Ah, cool then. :)

Primarch
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