EUK Warp Spiders also lost scout (Which I have come to regret suggesting on several occassions since!).

I agree that making them more durable (4+ armour) is worth trying.
And the justification is their extreme mobility, which makes the Banshees harder to hit at close quarters.

I must admit I hadn't really considered making banshees 4+ armour, could work since this is the main reason for not using them if im honest. Sort out the screwy EA on the exarch at the same time. It's amazing how much the little things can bug you

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It would bug me to have them have the same armour save as scorpions - who are supposed to be the heavy infantry aspect.

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Me too. Also, I don't see how being quite jumpy at close quarters makes them better able to resist a battlecannon to the face from 75 cm away.

To be fair, you could say this of any infantry that actually survive being shot by any large caliber weapon. In that respect infantry armour saves are all a bit wonky

However, I do agree that the Striking scorpions work as they should, and to that end giving the Banshees extra attacks does trespass on their role.

The main reason that Banshees do not work is because of their poor survivability. This can be redressed slightly by mounting them in Wave Serpents and ensuring these are also in contact with the enemy during assaults but that is a very difficult tactic to achieve, and does nothing to redress enemy support fire.

The alternative to increasing the Banshees attack is to reduce the impact of enemy hits - by increasing the Banshees armour, which can be justified as I have explained. However this has not yet been tested, so I cannot claim this is the definitive answer, just that it is likely to provide an alternative to the current attempts that have not been considered successful.

True.

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Can you explain further why this would 'bug' you, as it implies you would be unlikely even to consider trying this proposal.

I am not against trying it, but it rubs my fluff up the wrong way. Banshees and Scorpions have different armour saves in 40k, and perform different roles that tie into their armour saves - Scorpions are the "heavy" aspect, while Banshees are the typical glass hammer - hit hard and cannot survive being hit back.

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Can you summarise how each type would be used in 40K - I don't play that game. What would the typical target be, and why would each succeed or fail?

Really?

Or are you just being awkward?

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Really
It never appealed as much as E:A

In 3rd edition on, Banshees have Power Weapons, while Scorpions have an extra attack at higher strength. Power Weapons are excellent against heavy infantry like Marines, while the Scorpions excel agains more numerous infantry. That's a niche that's hard to capture in EA, an MW attack is a) very powerful and b) often of best use against vehicles and war engines, which Banshees don't really have an edge against in 40k.

Going back to 2nd edition, Banshees had a fantastic charge, negating any attack dice which meant that they almost automatically won combat and inflicted several hits. They had +1str and -1 save mod compared to scorpions. Scorpions had heavier armour, and a single shot before resolving combat, very useful if they were charged themselves. Banshees were also faster (MA6 vs MA5 IIRC), which was carried over into 3rd with Banshees being Fleet of Foot.

Hmm. Maybe Banshees could get speed 20cm? They did use to be as fast a genestealer.

Well IIRC banshees have power weapons which ignore armour saves, hence they can wade through marines as easily as guard, however they don't have high strength so can't do much damage to vehicles

Currently there is no rule in E:A to represent stuff which slaughters infantry but leaves yout struggling against vehicles.... Giving them a macro attack would make them too effective against vehicles and war engines, and adding a special 'macro against infantry only' gets a little fiddly, and adds more special rules to a game which tries to be abstract and generalist....

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