That's good news in my view.

I can just keep quiet from now on then, unless I see any suggestions which drive a coach and horses through the background.

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This issue came up in Heavy Bolter and having First Strike on the notes rather than the weapon seems very wrong. I let the player use it as written but it still seemed wrong and frnakly unfair. Also, Tau Stealth suits don't get FS CC. WS shouldn't either IMO.

Umm, how does FS on the weapon represent their Warp Packs??

The weapons dont allow the FS. THe sudden appearance due to the Jump Packs does, as Ginger implies. If they want to jump into CC, they'll still suprise the enemy, even if they do less damage.

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Explain that to me in regards to the Stealth suits then.... And secondly explain how the warp packs let them get first strike if they get jumped.

Or is it just a "cake and eat it too" thing for Eldar players?

Stealth suits have to physically approach their enemy. At CC ranges, even Adaptive Camoflauge will be noticed, as it can only ever be perfect from one direction. They will be noticed, and will lose the element of surprise.

Conversely, if Warp Spiders are charged, they have the opportunity to engage their Jump Packs a short distance from the enemy, taking the initiative. Think of them taking their countercharge move, but not having to traverse the intervening space to do it. Thus they can surprise the enemy and get FS even when being attacked.

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Perhaps Stealth Suits or Lictors can be faintly seen if you look hard enough (or have infra-red scopes?) whereas Warp Spiders are teleporting into the area from some way away so could have more surprise. I guess you could explain away the ability to use it when they are charged by saying they may a small last minute teleport to get the jump on their attackers, but really it's just the way the different lists have gone.

Edit: snap!

[Crosses fingers that no one brings up metamaterials]

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Stupid suggestion. But how's that different from normal.

Drop First strike, and give em Skimmer. They've already got the Jump Packs for most of it (ignore terrain/extra deploy from Vampires). Being able to always Firefight seems like a plausible thing for a teleporty thing like the Warp Spiders.

Yes, there's some justifications for not, like opponents not being able to CC them (and Spectrar Ghost provides reasons why not), but then you're into special rules stuffs. Did say it was stupid.

Keeps Banshees distinctive. Which is the goal, no?

Morgan Vening

Then they're moving away from CC.... It's why FS CC makes little sense. Plus, it gives the opponent who's carefully manoeuvred to a position to engage them a kick in the teeth for doing so....

You misunderstand. The Warp Spiders can engage thier packs when the enemy is say 25m away, and jump literally on top of them. The enemy would be confused to see the Spiders disappear, have to try to defend from 360 deg against an assault that could come at any time, and would loose the initiative as a result. If the Spider can hit you from any direction, chances are it's not the one you're looking in. You wouldn't even be able to tell when they would strike. Total confusion.

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That's a fair call Spec. Thanks for enlightening me.

I got into Epic pretty recently and have benefitted from the GW site having the updates to the main rulebook… and just discovered that the Swordwind document is out of date.

Warp Spiders can’t be transported?? Apart from the silliness in that (which wouldn’t be silly if they were allowed to move as quickly as they do in 40k), how is that not enough to limit their use? It’s narrowed down their niche enough that opponents can more easily prepare their counters. And now we have even more reason to use them in unmixed units, but there’s no reasonable way of getting that many models anyway.

cool video, and it well represents the abilities of the warp spider in relation to this thread.
Just a shame the marines win yet again, even after taking a farseers psychic attack tot he face teh marine seems to some how manage to win. haha