I've added the 2.1 version to the NetEA doc with some tweaking; specifically adding in the cost for "required" weapons and modifying point values appropriately. Costs are based on the "normal" load-outs for the Eldar Titans.

I've left the Phantasm Titan in, though I still don't see what it brings to the list; personally, I'd never take it due to its unreliabilty.

Also, I don't see the need for the "Spiritsinger" upgrade as it simply a "localized" supreme commander effect for the Phantasm... and it costs a *lot*... for that type of point value, I'd probably just take Warlock instead!

Will the Void Dancer variant of the Phantom Titan be listed? It did win runner up in the Titan competition.

WE 25cm 5+ 3+ 3+
2 x Dawn Spinner 15 cm 2 x AP3+/AT5+ Disrupt
AND (Automated Attacks) (15cm) Small Arms Extra Attks (+2 per spinner)
Fusion Lance 60 cm MW2+ TK (5 - 1 per 15cm range)
Tremor Cannon 75 cm MW3+ Disrupt, Pulse

tis an awesome looking model as well.

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Void Dancer? Could we rename it Void Strider?

How about a compromise on Void Prancer?

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Yes, we know, the game was intended to be played in the 2000-5000 points range...

that looks pretty cool actually

Given that the Pulse rule has changed to 2x, would that make the tremor cannon 2x MW3+?

Those tremor cannon stats are based on what is written in the collectors section of the swordwind book. Myself and others have pointed out that 2xMW3+ disrupt is clearly not equivalent in point value to the pulsar it replaces.

oh, you're right. I forgot that the pulsar was MW3+. Then again does Disrupt = Tk1? I think I'd rather have Tk1 personally (sorry if this is rehashing old arguments).

It's worth noting that the Hellstorm template that it uses is pretty big itself; effectively adding 12 or so inches to the range (right?)

That's actually quite nicely represented in Epic with the additional templates touching the first.

On consideration, I'm back on the side of giving them 2BP each for the reasons discussed above - you persuasive and reasonable buggers.

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But you have to place the Hellstorm template entirely within the weapons range of 18"

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'It's worth noting that the Hellstorm template that it uses is pretty big itself; effectively adding 12 or so inches to the range' (WRONG! )

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At some point you have to allow for some abstraction.

Keep in mind, the original [fanmade] epic rules for the sonic lance predate WH40k:Apocalypse (just like all the E:A rules) and the original FW rules for the sonic lance in 40k were different as well (they had to be, the hellstorm template didn't exist at the time).

I don't think it's a big deal if the sonic lance ends up with a longer range than what it does in Apocalypse, but I do think it is overpowered as is (45cm BP2). Just make it 30cm or 15cm. I would also reiterate that making it a strictly CC/FF weapon would go against the general trend that scout titans don't get those sorts of weapons, but YMMV.

So excitedly i Download the 2.1 list in sweet anticipation of finally fielding my titan legion ro reign havoc and carnage upon thy vast enemies of the stae.
But im doing the list up and stumble upon what i find a flaw in the list that makes it a losing list in nearly every game i can imagine (not having played it yet mind you) but.,

1 Support formation per titan formation ?

By my count this puts you at about 6- 7 activations max at 3k ? errrrrrr to me this just smells of defeat.

is there a reason its so limited ? did i miss something ?

Also i looked over and over at the phantasm and i jsut dont see why anyone would ever play with it when you have the other more reliable titans in the same price range even with the spirit singer ability (100pts wtf ? is that a typo ? )
i dont understand what role it is meant to play ?

and why no wratih guard ? seems very thhemey to have them in there with the sliding scale of titans /revs/knights / wrathlords / wariathguard .... ?

Looking forward to some replies. and hopefully a reasoning to the 1:1 formation to titan ratio, to me i was really dissapointed witht his aspect of the list.
Other than that it looks really fun


Regards

Tim NZ