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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:50 am 
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Hopefully I'll be able to do some Iyanden testing eventually, since I rather like them. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Eldar Hornet
PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:52 pm 
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I think that since the availablity of an epic model of this tank is going to be limited to scratchbuilds*, perhaps it should be restricted to only a handful of lists.

Yme-Loc and Saim Hann seem to be the best fits, so why not stick with those? Taking that even further, I'd suggest including it ONLY in Yme-Loc, because that list is not nearly as far along in development.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:07 pm 
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Actually, I'm not sure if we shouldn't use a spoonful* of moderation regarding that original design decision, since many, many models are not available as anything else than scratchbuilds or in some case, insanely priced second hand stuff.

I don't think the Hornet should necessarily be available in the core list (I haven't given it much thoughts actually), but I don't think this "design principle" is still relevant.
It made sense when it was intended that whole ranges of models were to be released (and also implied that FW epic models weren't "legit" at the time), but given the current state of official support... Should we remove defilers and deathwheels from the Black Legion list ?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:23 pm 
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Well, I see your point. The view I stated above is also colored by the fact that I consider forgeworld units as being only semi-official.

i.e. the pecking order of 'being official' goes a)WH40K codexes/rulesbooks -> b)Epic rulebooks (various editions) -> c)Forgeworld publications

That means, in my own mind, that this Hornet is on the fringe. Limiting it to one or two armies goes towards justifying my bias against FW units.

Going further, the next tier of 'being official' is:
d) stuff we create here on Taccomm.
That is to say, stuff that is in no way official. I figure that the only way I can legitimately ask to have my own tank concepts included in the Yme-Loc list (the Rending Hammer tank) is to also have the list include items that are higher on the official pecking order.

So, basically, my opinions reflect my desire to get my tank into the list.

Sneaky, huh?


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:32 pm 
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For those interested, the Hornet has been added to the NetEA Eldar docs and can be found in the Saim-Hann and Yme-Loc army lists.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 5:41 pm 
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I haven't gotten the model yet, though the FW site says that it has shipped. I'll take a look at the weapon load in the list for guidance.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 8:35 pm 
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Chroma wrote:
For those interested, the Hornet has been added to the NetEA Eldar docs and can be found in the Saim-Hann and Yme-Loc army lists.

Comments welcome!

W00t!!!

Seam! Start CADing!!! ;D ;)


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:31 pm 
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6 Hornets for 250pts, I'll have to test that, but it seems me to be not very expensive.

And any idea how to convert/scratchbuild one (or six) of these ?


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Flogus wrote:
6 Hornets for 250pts, I'll have to test that, but it seems me to be not very expensive.

Well, it's experimental... *laugh* And six Falcons is only 300 points, so it's ballparked.

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And any idea how to convert/scratchbuild one (or six) of these ?

Wait for one of the awesome CAD folks around here to accidentally drop something in the mail?


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Chroma wrote:
Flogus wrote:
6 Hornets for 250pts, I'll have to test that, but it seems me to be not very expensive.

Well, it's experimental... *laugh* And six Falcons is only 300 points, so it's ballparked.

After so few time thinking about it, I find 50pts per Hornet (same as a Falcon) a correct price.
Hornet is LV, but as 4+ Armour
Hornet as one attack less than the Falcon, but 3+ pulsars.
Hornet can't transport anything, but that option is rarely use by the Falcon.
Hornet is faster, can use Wraithgates and is Scout.

But is I want Firestorms, I need a Falcon troupe.

And I can't not compare to Necron Heavy Destroyers ...

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And any idea how to convert/scratchbuild one (or six) of these ?

Wait for one of the awesome CAD folks around here to accidentally drop something in the mail?

Please, do not use the words "accidentally", "drop" and "mail" in the same sentence ... please ... :(
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