Surely if you are trying to 'get out of the way' and fail to activate you can take the BM and single move

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Steve, any chance we could have current EUK intentions on Spirit stones for the next Eldar review?

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Which, given the fragility of many of the formations is likely to break it anyway. And it still leaves the BMs on the formation which become increasingly hard to shift because of the lack of other mechanisms.

Hence the thought about making it slightly easier to Marshall as a compensation for the lack of the other mechanics . . . .

Eldar already get a ton of extra benefits, they need to have some weakness.

Please note I never use Spirit Stones, not least because I have never found the E-UK version to be very effective. I also accept the original arguments against Spirit Stones and the reason for their removal in the first place.

My suggestion is actually to provide a completely new compensation for the limited BM removal available to the Eldar by increasing their ability to pass certain activations . . . . but that said, I do agree they are playable without Spirit Stones at all - you just have to adjust your strategy and tactics to play to their strengths while minimising the weaknesses.

Ditto.

I admit that at 3k games, spirit stones as in the EUK version are a good improvement, and sufficient.

However, I would price them at 20 points instead, thus allowing 5 for 100 points , instead of 4.

In any case, I suggest NetEA adapts the BT list with the EUk spirit stone rule.

2nd however, the more points the game, the less the Eldar tricks allow to compensate for the BM issues, as Rug mentioned. There is only 1 Avatar, and there is only 1 SC Aspect (leader).

A usable rule for larger games would be nice, even if this is not the thread for it.

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Ahem, we are talking about NetEA here, and Fire prism upgrades are 15 a piece...

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"War is not about who is right, but about who is left". - B. Russell

I don't think spirit stones are needed or desirable. I like the way eldar play currently, I.e. withering under fire and never truly recovering.

It does bug me that most formations activate on 2+, I have to disagree with the assertion that "few" other races have 1+, really in practice it is most units of most armies are activating on 1+. The only major army with poorer initiative in practice than eldar is guard. For me, eldar should start with fantastic initiative and degrade sharply. I'd go so far as to say that it would have been better at the outset (I.e. not now!) to have given eldar 1+ initiative across the board, but with a greater effect of BMs. Its been a long time since I was up to speed on fluff, but I always remember spirit stones had sort of a negative vibe, e.g. it was terrible if they were lost so Eldar always took time to collect them. The EA rule therefore felt backwards to me when it was created, but as I say it could well have been perfectly logical.

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