(Bombot @ Nov. 10 2006,09:20)
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There are a few things worth knowing:
1) Can ground-only Marine armies work?
2) Can armour-heavy, ground only armies work?
3) Can mostly ground with a bit of air / teleportation work?
Really, I think there?s only a problem if 3) and maybe 1) don?t work. ?In the case of 2) - well, Marines are not the Imperial Guard.
There's a 4th option that you've overlooked.
Can a combined armour/ground force work? I haven't seen anyone suggesting an "armour heavy" force should work. Just that armour should be workable units. I seriously think this is something that detractors are misunderstanding.
Armoured formations like LRs & Preds are core formations. They wouldn't be core formations if they weren't meant to be usable. No one will ever convince me otherwise.
Why even have LRs & Preds in a Marine list if they are never worth taking? This is a question that should be taken seriously.
What bugs the daylights out of me is that, in the codex list as it stands, a LR formation @ 400 points should be as valuable as 2 T-Hawks for 400, and everyone knows they aren't.
Are we looking at points vs points? Under the proposed changes a Pred formation & 2 Vindis (425) should be almost as effective as 2 T-Hawks (450).
If they are, then we're close to where we need to be. If not, one needs to cost more or the other needs to cost less.
I'm not saying the proposed changes aren't at or near where Marines need to be, just that this isn't a needless pursuit.
