An interesting suggestion. I'd have to give it some thought. One thing that comes to mind is that the only Farseer allowed in the list would then be the Wraithseer, making summoning the Avatar an iffy proposition. Perhaps giving the Spiritseers counts-as-Farseer would remedy this.

I'm not sure how this would affect costs, though the SC ability traditionally costs 100pt anyway, so they might not need adjusting.

Well, depends on how you define 'traditional'.

Core Marines - 50pts (100pts, but you get a free 50pt Character for it).
Core IG - 100pts
Baran - 50pts (required)
Core Ork - Free!
KoS - Free!
Feral Ork - Free!
Biel-Tann - 50pts (75pts, but you get a free 25pt Exarch for it).
Ulthwe - 100pts (gets slight buff to FF)
Black Legion - Free!
LotD - Free!
Tau - 50pts (100pts, but you get a free 50pt Character for it).
Necron - 50pts or a C'Tan.

The standard thing seems to be 50pts for the ability itself. I'm not sure why Ulthwe pay a premium, but IG I would assume due to it's necessity. That doesn't explain Baran though. Given the potentially large quantities of 1+ Initiative in the army (and assuming those are costed correctly), the main factor seems to be the difference in quality from SpiritSeer to WraithSeer. If SpiritSeers gain 'counts as Farseer, the cost for a Wraithseer really should be 50pts.

Morgan Vening

They also get a buff to CC and reinforced armour...

Thank you for the breakdown. I wasn't aware so many got it for free. If the Wraithseer cost is reduced to 50 pt, should the Spirit Warhost be raised to 375-400 to compensate?

Spirit Seers will not be getting "counts as a Farseer" as they are too busy managing the Wraithguard to summon the Avatar; that is intentional.

Then I'm not sure there is a way to remove Guardians from the list completely. I think the best bet is to rewrite "The Living Few" for clarity.

TBH, I'm not even sure "The Living Few" is ambiguous in it's current form. I'm not sure how the wording can be clarified.

Don't let my wife catch you doing that!

And, yes, the Guardian Warhost is supposed to be 150 points base cost.

Not true. Yes, the Autarch is 75 points, but "counts as" an Exarch. It does not get the Exarch's stats, but this is clearly so that you may not buy 2 Exarchs PLUS an Autarch - 2 Character upgrades max per unit

I also need to chime in on this thread, being that while I havent played Iyanden yet, I HAVE bought a metric ton of Iyanden off Ebay, and therefore have spent some considerable amount of time studying the list.

I dont think the rule is problematic at all, and as was mentioned early on, uses the correct forms of the English language to express its intent. Could it be "dumbed down" to aid non-native English speakers or people who dont have a firm grasp on grammar? Sure, but I think that is counter-productive instead of being helpful. My apologies if anyone feels insulted by being in one of those two categories. That wasnt my intent.

I think the list is fine as is, I think discussing changing it would be counter-productive, and I certainly dont agree that moving the Guardians around is needed in any way, shape or form.

The implication was that the Exarchs stats cost 25 points, so the difference must be due to the Supreme Commander ability, I believe.

I've played Iyanden a lot, It's not like you actually want to use Guardians much anyhow, Wraith Guard are really cool, I've never really thought to myself what I really need is another x unit but I can't take it due to the Living Few, I mean why play Iyanden if you don't want to go Wraithguard heavy.

Agreed. The proposed changes wouldn't actually affect my army selection at levels where I have enough Wraithguard to go around. The only point at which they would take effect is once I need more than 2 (3 once I get the latest aquisition built) Spirit Warrior Warhosts.

I generally run 2/3 Wraithguard formations and at least one Wraithlord, backed up by a Wraithgate and 2 Stormserpents, I would find it hard to get in tonnes of guardians. (though I have the models in case I need to play as basic Eldar)

I tend to run mine mechanized, so I have the same problems. I probably wouldn't need guardians until 5k+.

That's it exactly. I worded it a little poorly.

For 25pts, you get an Exarch. For an additional 50pts, you get an Exarch with Supreme Commander. Much like the Marine SC, while the total cost of the character is more than 50pts, the inherited cost of the SC ability isn't.

Morgan Vening