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After giving this list some thought and reading the issues it has, what would be wrong with a perhaps simpler list like this:


Titan Strike Force Army List
Such armies have a strategy rating of 4. Formations have initiative 2+ except for Avatar, Aspect Warriors and Titans, which have initiative 1+
All standard Eldar special rules apply

0-1 Avatar for free

0-1 Wraithgate for 50 pts

0-1 Master Steersman for 75pts (adds supreme commander to a Warlock or Phantom Titan)

Core: (As many as wanted)
Warlock Titan 1 Warlock Titan May replace any number of Titan Pulsars with an alternate Eldar
Battle Titan Weapon; Wraithgate; 850
Phantom Titan 1 Phantom Titan May replace any number of Titan Pulsars with an alternate Eldar
Battle Titan Weapon; Wraithgate 750
Revenant Titans 2 Revenants May replace any number of Titan Pulsars with an alternate Eldar
Scout Titan Weapon 650

Elite: (1 per Core formation)
Revenant Titan 1 Revenant May replace any number of Titan Pulsars with an alternate Eldar
Scout Titan Weapon 350
Eldar Knights Any combination of 3 Fire Gale and/or Towering Destroyers May replace any Knight for a Bright Stallion at +25 pts. each 300
Aspect troupe 6 Aspect warrior stands of any kind Must be mounted in any combination of Wave Serpents and/or Falcons at + 50 each; May include one Exarch at +25pts 225

Support: (2 per Core formation)
Mounted Guardians 7 Guardians, 1 Farseer, 4 Wave Serpents Spirit Stones 350pts
Swords of Vaul 5 or 6 Falcons for +50 points each. Up to 2 Falcons may be replaced with a Fire Storm for free. varies
In addition, any number of Falcons may be upgraded to Fire Prisms for +15 points each Spirit Stones varies
Nightspinner Troupe 3 Nightspinners Spirit Stones 175
Rangers 4-8 Ranger units Spirit Stones 25 per unit
Windriders 6 Jetbikes May replace any number of Jetbikes by Vipers for free; Spirit Stones 200
War Walkers 6 War Walkers Spirit Stones 200



Navy: (1 per Core formation)
Nightwings 3 NW 300
Phoenix Bombers 3 PB 400
Vampire Hunter 1 VH 200

Eldar Battle Titan Power Fist, Spirit Sword, Fusion Lance Free
Weapon Tremor Cannon, D-Cannon +25 points

ELDAR BATTLE TITAN WEAPONS
WEAPON RANGE FIREPOWER
Fusion Lance 60cm MW2+, TK(4 - 1 per full 15cm to target)
Revenant Sonic Lance 45cm 2BP, Disrupt, Ignore Cover, Lance
Spirit Sword (base contact) (Assault Weapons), EA(+2), TK(3)
AND (15cm) (Small Arms) MW, EA(+1)
Titan D-Cannon 45cm 4BP, MW, TK(d6)
Tremor Cannon 60cm 4BP, Disrupt, Ignore Cover, Lance

Wraithgate: Adds a Portable Gate on the Titan, that functions exactly as the Objective Wraithgate of Eldar army rules.

Spirit Stones: Adds Leader to the Formation for + 20pts.

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IMO that would be massively overpowered - being able to take 2 big titans+a couple of single revenants and then lots of cheap formations to up your activation count

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Well the problem with the list seems to be activation and/or resilience.

This version tries to solve the activation count, though the options are very limited.

At 3k, an army like you mention would have 4 activations for 2200 pts without supreme commander, and then could take 4 activations worth of jetbaikes at most. that's 8 activations, nothing overpowering really.

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Or 4 rangers+2 vampires = 10 activations. In lists that allow the titan allocation to be ignored you have to have the balance of low activation count

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I understand the reasoning, and yes in general, but it doesnt seem to work with Eldar.

Eldar titans are too brittle.

Though perhaps removing the single revenant option would be possible, and the navy placed in either elite or support options.

Then there is fluff, which makes it difficult to justify that Titans would go on a merrry-go round unsupported by regular eldar troops.

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Wraithgate should be Phantom titan only, as the list is now.
The Warlock is too rare and too specialised to carry Wraithgate. And in game terms, it would be too powerful.

As an aside, though perhaps this does not belong here, but more in the Saim-Hann thread, why is the Vampire Hunter so expensive?

It's a bomber so it can't intercept or CAP, and the armament of 2 Hunters is better than 3 Phoenixes, but not overwhelmly so. (The Phoenix is perhaps a little overcosted too).

Shouldnt the Hunter be better at 200 each, or 225?

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Wouldn't it be pretty difficult to write a list if the only core options were 650+ points, and you could only take one non-core formation for each of them? None of those are very high in points, so I could imagine it being hard to get to exactly 3000 points.

Quick question the titan weapons have XXcm for range. What should this be?

D.

The stats are in the weapons list, not the titan unit stats.

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Yay! Count me in for playtesting!


No objections from me. Sounds like reasonable tweaks.


Looks good to me. Perhaps missing the Sword?


Don't particularly see the need.


No opinion. Don't think it would have made a difference in any game I've played; They usually die quickly (after losing shields) or don't die at all.


I personally think that the Warlock should be the BTS, it present, irrespective of its cost.

Looking forward to this! Would be great to have an excuse to field the Eldar Titans again.

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OK, great. Not that I have a model for it...


Give the Titan an Invulnerable Save?


Completely agree, the Warlock shouldn't be mandatory. It's just that when it is present, I'd expect it to be the BTS.



Skimmed the 2.2.1 list posted and have a few comments:
- Phantom Titan: Doesn't have the Autarch upgrade listed.
- Revenant Titan: At those costs, nobody will take them in pairs. I'd suggest pricing 1 at 350, and the twin at 300.
- Titan Autarch: A bit pricy for a Supreme commander - the comparable Marine or AMTL capability costs 50 points.
- The list structure (expensive core formations, small number of support formations) makes it difficult to hit a round number when building lists. Suggest making the Wraithlord and Guardian troupes a bit more variable in size (eg 4-8 Wraithlords, or 6 guardians + 3 or 6 platforms).
- The Phoenix bomber formation is a bit overpriced at 400 (common to all Eldar lists). Suggest pricing it at 350.

Is this a good time to open discussion on the Eldar Knights also? I'd dearly love to field them, but they seem really sub-par compared to Wraithlords, especially Wraithlords delivered by mobile webway. Bright Stallions seems viable, but otherwise I see no reason to bring these. As a small tweak, I'd suggest
- Give Fire Gale an FF +1 (MW) attack
- Give Towering Destroyers a 4+ RA save and give MW to its CC EAs.