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Author: | Honda [ Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
I'm still working through the new list, however, I noticed that the Dragonfish loadout had changed. Not saying that the change is good or bad, however, some things to consider: 1. When we had a big discussion about pointing out the cost of the previous version of DrF, we generally settled on an upgrade of an existing vehicle because it was easier to cost the SC ability in isolation rather than a weapons trade for the SC ability. So, the basic assumption was that we use the existing Scorpionfish add an extra laptop to get the Dragonfish. 2. Uninteded consequence: We now have to evaluate whether the 300 points for the DrF is correct. 3. Were comments made that this was causing an imbalance? The only real comments I heard were that Neal thought the Scorpionfish weapons were a little light. I'm interested in your thoughts. |
Author: | Tactica [ Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
That was my take as well. |
Author: | CyberShadow [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:18 am ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
The initial post/thread which lead to the Dragonfish stats is here: Tactica Post - 14th Nov - 22:12 The only difference is that the deflector shield is retained, and that the cost is raised by +100 points (since the Shas'O is 100 points for a relatively minor stat increase/abilities). |
Author: | Tactica [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
CS, although I cannot find it right now, there was discussion about the dragonfish after this to go to scorpionfish stats only. I agree, the 300 point value is appropriate to start testing with, however, the deflect doesn't feel right on this model. Seems like a support craft / massive ship type item... i.e. tau titan item. I'm happy to test the 4.3.2 scorpion CS - just wieghing in. |
Author: | CyberShadow [ Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
Can we test both the Scorpionfish and Dragonfish as presented in 4.3.2 and get some feedback on the various weapon fits and load-outs of these two? With them compared, and some quantitative feedback on the Scorpionfish, we can then discuss the future of the Dragonfish. I would like this to stand out a little from the Scorpionfish, and I see it as a command behemoth. It makes sense to me that the Tau would go to lengths to give their mobile command a good chance of surviving in the thick of it all. |
Author: | Tactica [ Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:39 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
As you request CS. Consider it done. ![]() |
Author: | clausewitz [ Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
Definitely worth testing the new version. At first glance it looks as though the new Dragonfish would work better as a single unit formation. The main advantage of mirroring the Scorpionfish weapon loadout was when the Dragonfish was in formation with a Scorpionfish, as the weapons meshed well. The Dragonfish has a more AP balance to its weapons than the more AT loadout on the Scorpionfish. |
Author: | Tactica [ Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
Yeah, I was trying to work it into my 4K list recently and realized that a scorpionfish plus the dragon comes in at 500 points... thats some coin. When I think about two manticore batties and what they can do for 250 each and to two different targets, then compare that to the scorpions, I just end up steering away from the scorpions. So I thought about taking a Dragonfish by itself, but I hadn't considered running it with a deflector at the time (as we had pulled that out of v4.2.8 WIP and that's what I was using) so opted not to go that route either. The deflector as stand alone may be worth trying, however, my early gut feeling is I'm probably not going to want this piece in my list until I'm playing 4K and above. Don't know for sure... Maybe I really need to go against the grain and make a 2700 point list with the Dragonfish center stage and build from there. Hmph... except its a contingent, so it will never really be center stage. Heh... OK, that does seem wierd. Right, anyway I'll work on playing this and see. |
Author: | clausewitz [ Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:01 am ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
Just noticed they have different speeds as well. Was that intentional? Its the same chassis is it not? |
Author: | Honda [ Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
@ Tac Yeah, I was trying to work it into my 4K list recently and realized that a scorpionfish plus the dragon comes in at 500 points... thats some coin. When I think about two manticore batties and what they can do for 250 each and to two different targets, then compare that to the scorpions, I just end up steering away from the scorpions. |
Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Dragonfish changes |
I'd echo the direct firepower comparison. The DF after all isn't about raw (non armoured) firepower, rather its command and control. Habing a big tough SC is a boost for an army - especially one where people complain about BM build up (which can as I build the list sympasise with a bit, the amount of times I've got 2-4 commisars isn't funny!). |
Author: | Tactica [ Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:40 pm ] | ||
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The Scorpionfish on the other hand is a different animal. It's harder to take down and to date, mine have always finished the game, so I see them having significant influence in the last two turns of the game, |
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