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Morays
Dobbsy	Post subject: Morays Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:28 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:24 am Posts: 4499 Location: Melbourne, Australia	If I buy 2 Morays why do they have to be put in a formation together? Why is it that they can't deploy separately - say one dropping in and one being deployed on table at get-go? Do they need to be this way? It would be more tactically useful to make them separate. Is it written this way to fall in-line with the Warhound purchase format? i.e you have to put light WE's in a formation of 2.
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Tactica	Post subject: Morays Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:09 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	You may buy a formation of 1. You may buy 2 formations of 1 each. Each formation will take up one of your contingent slots of course. They are listed as 1 or 2 for 300 each. This means you can take multiples of 1 per formation or you can take multiples of 2 per formation. You are not restricted other than no more than 2 per formation. Tactically, you will have some issues in my experience. A 3 hit formation that can always be seen doesn't stand much chance of being activated. Oh believe me I've tried to field them this way!!! Come under fire 3 times. A 4 point blast from manticores with disrupt causing two chances for hits gets a hit and you come under fire. That's 2 blast markers - then ... err... sentinels could fire on you and break your moray formation (not that I've had that happen to my most magnificient of WE...)     If they actually score two hits plus coming underfire, your in a worse way. Crossfired with 1 damage will do it. crossfired with disrupt is just mean - no damage caused and you break. the possibilities go on. Always being seen means you are more vulnerable than the average WE... so you are just a sitting duck for abuse. _________________ Rob
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clausewitz	Post subject: Morays Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 12:57 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Lol, bitter experience Tactica? On the plus side (and there is a big plus side as I know even Tactica loves the Morays) they have pretty awesome firepower and when applying that firepower they reverse the "you can see me rule" into "I can see you.. no matter where you hide". PS I don't believe that Warhounds must be in the same formation?
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Tactica	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:04 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	CW, No question, I love the FP that the morays deliver. I'm not saying they stink or anything, quite the contrary. My points in the previous post were around fielding them individually, not whether they were good models. Dobbsy's question seemed to be around whether we could take 2 formations of 1... not whether they were any good. I was just siting how in formations of 1 - they could be in trouble. My only suggestion to Dobbsy is that they really don't work well (in my experience) in stand alone formations. They must be doubled up and must be planetfalled for another 150 to have the best chances for an impact IMHO. Cheers, _________________ Rob
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clausewitz	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:18 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Tactica, I agree with your analysis.  If you want them to go "toe-to-toe" with heavy hitters (like the IG examples you mention) then it has to be two Morays in the formation. As always there is a balance to these things.  Such as the fact that your 2 Morays will often be the BTS, which usually would have more than 6 "wounds" by preference.  The single Moray is less of a loss.  And, of course, it depends on your enemy, versus IG with SHT/Arty/DSM any WE can be taken out a lot more quickly than usual.
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Tactica	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:48 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Cw, that's a very good point actually. My Morays are typically my BtS formation. That does make them gunned for. I may try the single moray drop at some point. I think it will still be the immediate target for the enemy, but perhaps it will not be pursued and chased to the point of extinction. Hmm.. I'll have to consider what i'll fill that void with though. That takes a chunk out of my hard hitters. cheers, _________________ Rob
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clausewitz	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:12 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Tactica, no easy choices with the Moray.  1 or 2, planetfall or not, Rail Cannon or Ion Phalanx. A thought.. a single Moray is less of a risk to drop on turn 2.  Obviously you sacrifice a turns shooting, but if you aren't getting 4 turns of shooting because you get killed/broken quickly it might work out better.
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HecklerMD	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:45 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:42 am Posts: 201	In addition to what CW said, dropping 2 Morays separate (2 Formations) on opposite sides of the board (left and right flank) might really freak out your opponent.  Also, causing him to move formations willy-nilly.
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Steele	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:59 am
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 6:40 am Posts: 423 Location: Duisburg , Germany	Quote (HecklerMD @ 21 Dec. 2005 (05:45)) In addition to what CW said, dropping 2 Morays separate (2 Formations) on opposite sides of the board (left and right flank) might really freak out your opponent. ?Also, causing him to move formations willy-nilly. You forgot to mention the center dropped Manta and it?s loadout. Then the Hell breaks free for your opponent....   Cheers! Steele _________________ Quid pro Quo
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clausewitz	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:19 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	Well if points are no object then why not... and load it with 2x VX88 contingents and 1x HH contingent (2 Swords, 2 RC).  Drop it all on top of 2 advanced tetra contingents and co-fire, retain, co-fire. (Thats 67 shots in total)
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Tactica	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:46 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	LMAO - you guys are no longer helping...   _________________ Rob
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clausewitz	Post subject: Morays Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:46 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	No pleasing some people
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