Quote: (Ginger @ 20 Apr. 2009, 17:41 )
GlynG, you make a very good point on Gun Drones as Tau mechanisms in their own right, but I would suggest that this unit now represents "Drones" in general so includes Gun and Shield drones, Remote Sentry Turrets and all the other miriad forms of drone ... I am not sure that robots would react in the same way as people as they do not have feelings (or fear) - eg Star Trek's Data. However, an expendable formation might be too powerfull under these circumstances.
But I think my point covers Shield Drones just the same – in W40k if you have a unit of say 3 Battlesuits and one Shield Drone and the Shield Drone is killed by incoming fire, then the unit has to take a break test for having taken 25% casualties and may break and flee as a result. It’s not that the Battlesuits are really upset because their dear friend ‘
Droney the Drone’ has been ‘killed’, rather it represents their fear and reaction to the destructive enemy fire and the damage to their unit, leading to them to tactically withdraw or flee.
Of course we can imagine robots in some hypothetical future army being designed and programmed to fight on till the bitter end and, unlike human soldiers, not to care if their fellows were dropping like flies. Orks find it funny when Grots and killed and are more than happy to use them as gun shields or run them through mine fields, the
Expendable rule is appropriate there. The Tyranid Hive Mind cares so little about the individual lives of the little creatures that make it up, that
Expendable is perfectly justified there too. Both are extreme cases, where this makes perfect sense. This is simply not the Tau philosophy or how they operate however, it’s a misrepresentation that appears to have gone on in the epic list for some time and so people accept it, but it not true to the background or how they play in W40k – which the epic list should try to reflect and not go off in a totally different direction with.
Look at the Gun Drones unit in W40k – if they were programmed to act in the sort of way that seems to be suggested, then we would reasonably expect them to have Leadership 10 or
Fearless, in a similar way to the way the soulless robotic Necrons, however the
opposite is true – they have Leadership 7, less than most other Tau units, plus they had a special rule in the 1st Tau Codex where if their numbers were reduced below a certain level their artificial intelligences would not network so well and this would drop to a meagre
Leadership 4 – making them
incredibly likely to break and flee if one more of them should be killed.
Remote Sentry Turrets on the other hand are a specialised form of immobile vehicle and I don’t think they have any place being included in a movable unit of infantry drones. I have no problem with the Remote Sentry Turrets not being in the main list anymore, but think they should be included using the rules roughly as they were before in the Collectors section. Shield Drones meanwhile are only ever attached to protect a particular character or and battlesuit from harm, they never would never be deployed to operate independently or to shield another drone.
Gun Drones do deserve to operate as a separate unit in epic I think –
please not with Expendable for all the reasons above - but I do agree they could do with being a little better. I have actually noticed another misrepresentation about them in the current list, which if corrected could well provide that: the epic unit is weirdly only armed with Pulse Carbines, with the exact same AP5+ as the Pulse Carbines carried by a Pathfinder stand. This is completely wrong: each Gun Drone is infact actually armed with
Twin-linked Pulse Carbines – each Drone has
two of the guns, go see the W40k model! They really should be armed correctly to reflect this in epic too and so have Twin-linked Pulse Carbines AP4+. Fixing that would make them accurate and also hopefully more playable?
Long post I know, but Tau were my the only proper W40k army I gamed with for years, so I know them very well and care about them coming out right, even if it will be a while till I get the FW Tau army to play them with.