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| Author: | Honda [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 5:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
I've been thinking about this for a little while and I'd like to drop it on the team and see what they think: Proposal: 1. Eliminate the Stingray 2. Enhance the firepower of individual Skyrays (possibly 3 x AP5+ or 4 x AP5+) 3. Only allow the Skyray as an upgrade to cadres, one or two per cadre 4. Points to be worked out Thoughts? |
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| Author: | shmitty [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
I would be hesitant to do that. Primarily as the Skyray is an important AA asset for the Tau. What you have proposed would be a serious increase in the Skyrays firepower which would have to come with a point jump. That would make it tough on the players that just want to add some AA capability to their force. But, I am all for reducing units, etc so the idea has merit in that light. |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
From this Thread http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums/ ... 23;t=13810 Apocalypse has this as a formation: Skysweep Missile Defence Wing: 2-4 Skyrays and one Devilfish. All have Networked Mrkerlights which are connected to AA-Systems. Proposed stats from me : 3 x Twin Seeker Missiles 75cm AT5+/AA5+ Guided Missiles, Slow Firing And also from this thread http://www.tacticalwargames.net/forums....3;st=15 On a side note: I think the SkyRay and StingRay should be merged. If the Tau had a dedicated AP-Missile Tank then surely the SkyRay would have this option in the Tau Codex? However the SkyRay can mark a Infantry unit and fire a volley of Seeker Missiles at them (nowhere inthe 40k rules it sais that SM can only be fired ad vehicles). Thats up to six Strength 8, ArmorPiercing 3 shots. A single missile would be as effective as a downgrades Lascannon in Epic, so no AP value, but a volley of missiles should be as effective as an Autocannon. So new tweaked stats could be: 3 x Twin Seeker Missiles 75cm AP5+/AT5+/AA5+ Guided Missiles, Slow Firing |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
4 is ott. 3 is more reasonable. And what is the purpose of the vehicle? Long range AT fire and AA cover? Yes but then you should have noticed that the Tau don't have long range (45cm+) AP fire (other than the Railgun's submunition and Ion Cannon). It seems Tau rely on geting up and personal (ie get under 45cm range in Epic or ca 18-48" in Wh40k) with the enemy to deal with Infantry. |
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| Author: | vytzka [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
Would Slow Firing even apply to AA shots? |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
Why? It would then only fire at any other aircraft formation per turn. 1st formation in range: shoot 2nd formation in range: pass 3rd formation in range: shoot etc Or: 1st turn: 1st formation in range: shoot 2nd, 3rd, etc: pass 2nd turn: pass all 3rd turn: 1st formation in range: shoot 2nd, 3rd, etc: pass Obvioulsy you can chose to pass the 1st formation of aircrafts and then be able to shoot at the 2nd, etc. And 3x 75cm AA5+ shots per SkyRay is nothing to laugh about even if it can fire only once per turn at aircrafts. |
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| Author: | shmitty [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
Very true Hena, Slow-Firing and AA would not be a good combination on the table. |
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| Author: | Honda [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
@Hena, why did you focus on 4 shots? I said it could be 3 or 4. It could also be 2. It was just a point to start the discussion. @BL: I would not be in favor of Slow Firing. I also don't see where the justification for this comes from. I do think though that the Skysweeper Apoc formation has merit. I didn't even think of that one, so good show. So, this is what I was thinking about: 1. Reduce units 2. In 40K, the Skyray is a much more flexible firing platform than it is in Epic 3. Given #2, then why not just enhance the Skyray to provide similar capabilities (i.e. in 40K, the Seeker missile can fire on infantry, armor, and aircraft quite effectively) 4. The point I am really trying to explore is whether the idea has merit. If it does bear exploring, I'd propose to quickly work up stats, kick it around for a day or so, and if it still looks good, then test it in a game. If everyone thinks the idea is barf, then I'll just drop it. I was just trying to leverage an existing unit and potential reduce the inventory. Cheers, |
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| Author: | BlackLegion [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
The SkyRay has 6 one-shot Seeker Missiles in Wh40k The Manticore as 4 one-shot Manticore Missiles in Wh40k The Manticore is slow-firing in Epic, so the SkyRay is a prime candidate for slow-firing too. |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
Quote: (Hena @ 09 Jan. 2009, 18:53 ) They would have to wait a turn as that is what Slow Fire states. If it's got "3 x" the weapon that's slow-firing, then each instance of it can be used/waiting; the unit doesn't have to fire all three at once. It's like it's got three actual missiles (or pairs of missile) to fire. |
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| Author: | vytzka [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Stingray/Skyray Consolidation |
This is apparently asking for a special rule that would allow AA to only shoot at one aircraft unit per turn. Either bite the bullet and add that, or don't bother with slow-firing at all. |
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