When do you move when air assaulted? The action type is ground attack and the decision on targets is made at an unclear time. So when do you move, when it is clear you are the target?
An example
A marine Thunderhawk is clearly angling for the crisis on a Ground Attack action.
It makes its approach move. Then decides to land. At this point I believe this is the point to choose shooting or engaging. The marines pour out in an assault on the Crisis.
At what stage can the air assault be declared and at what stage is the response allowed? Bear in mind it could die prior to landing from flak or not land at all.

Then what if the Thunderhawk aborts and stays in the air to shoot normally, possibly due to taking to much AA fire?

(It really would be simpler if the damn things could just move shoot move like Eldar! Would remove the oddity of reacting to an assault and not a close range shooting action, remove oddities from the rules etc.)

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You move when the Engagement order action test is passed, before the Assaulting formatation moves.

Thus:

- Inititative Test Taken (Passed).
- Tau jetpacks move.
- Thunderhawk Gunship lands on top of the jetpackers.


It's basically the only practical way you're ever going to B2B jetpack units.

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But E&C you declare a ground attack order. Not an assault order. Its a common misconception. Any point up to landing you could be just conducting a shooting attack. So if you jump after the assault goes in thats at the point of landing - in which case I guess you could land into base to base and stop some of the running, indeed that might stop any movement response. Unless of course you say they can respond (edit, messed this bit up) just prior to landing making them hard to engage that way as well

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It's basically the only practical way you're ever going to B2B jetpack units.

I've never understood the big fuss about the Jetpack rule either - I wouldn't mind getting rid of it just because its a special rule that doesn't have much effect.

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WOuldn't a 'they can countercharge backwards' rule work just as well without the trouble?

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The intent of the rule is to give the Tau the ability to close to within 15cm of the enemy and be safe from Close Combat Engagements... 'counter-charge in any direction' wouldn't give them that safety net.

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Has to be said hit and run lets them get close then scamper off with no odd rules situations...

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I'll post this extract from the rules because it seems it might be helpful.

There are three steps to carrying out an action:
I - Nominate a formation.
II - Declare which action it will carry out.
III - The formation must then pass an action test to see if it carries out the action successfully.

Note you must declare both the formation and the action it will carry out before taking the action test. If you fail to do these things, then the formation chosen automatically fails the action test without the dice being rolled. If you failed to even nominate the formation then your opponent may nominate the formation for you.

It's the wording of the Air Assault/Ground attack rules that make this quite an interesting dilema.

I'd always thought it as E&C said before but having re-read the rules it's not so clear...  

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Well a further interpretation could be you declare the ground attack and literally drop out of the blue assaulting the Tau. As no engage was decalred no retreat move allowed (would stop them seeking supporting fire!).

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The intent of the rule is to give the Tau the ability to close to within 15cm

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This is pretty much the antithesis of the intent of all the other rules though. The whole point is that if you get up close and personal you get hammered.

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And all you have to do...

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