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OK... Here we go...
I have deliberately avoided this topic for a day or two, because it has the ability to raise my blood pressure in a way that no other topic can... and I am usually a calm individual.
There are two elements to this 'discussion':
- The original questions asked whether these guys were performing as expected, and whether they had the durability to be attractive to the tau commander on the battlefield.
- This then turned into yet another discussion on whether they should be classified as infantry.
While I agree that the LV/Inf issue is a part of the initial question, I also believe that there is a solution to the performance of the Broadsides, whether they are LV or Inf. However, I will look at the second part first, since that seems to have run away with the topic... again.
I agree with the majority opinion here, its an old issue that has sat unsettled with me a long time - there's no way in hell that a broadside should be an LV.
They should be infantry.
The only reason they are not was to satisfy people that wanted both crisis and broadsides as LV. To settle the argument, CS made the crisis infantry and the broadside LV for testing - and to calm the waters.
Incorrect.
1. I am yet to be convinced that the 'majority' are calling for Broadsides to be LV. Even if they are, and it is possible, the 'majority' of players outside the EA Tau force favour the LV classification.
2. Broadsides were not made LV to satisfy the sector of players that wanted all battlesuits to be LV.
Whether Broadsides are LV or Inf, we will have half of the community/players stating that they should be the other one. This is one of those decisions where the result is always going to cause disappointment. Therefore, I allowed myself to have the casting vote on the issue. It is my opinion that Broadsides are better represented as Light Vehicles. It is possible that I can be persuaded out of my position, and I am certainly not closed to relevant discussion on the matter.
(to be honest, I've had more Broadsides gunned down by bolters and lasguns than by AT weapons like lascannons, meltas, or missiles) Heavy Bolters and Assault Cannons are the best way to kill Crisis or Broadsides in 40k (well, plasma/starcannon, and big 'Nids with Devourers, but...). From my experience in 40k, based on what causes the fastest kills, that makes Broadsides 'Infantry' in Epic.
I dont understand. You say that Broadsides in 40K are often taken out by 'Heavy Bolters and Assault Cannons' and then state that they should be classified as infantry, making them effectively immune to those exact weapons in Epic.
Even if a single Broadside is as tough as a single Terminator, and are targetted as often (both of which I am not convinced about here), they have a smaller unit size even when taken at maximum strength, and are often fielded at less than full strength.
My rational for the decisions are:
- A Broadside unit represents a single Broadside with Drone/s. This additionally serves to make it clearer on the tabletop which suit is which from a distance.
- A Broadside is likely to be targetted by any weapon in range, and these suits can find it difficult to hide from this attention on the battlefield (abstraction). Even if we accept that they are as durable as a Crisis suit, they do get more barrels aimed in their direction.
- Broadside as infantry marginally promotes a more static role for these units.
CS - if you are going to remain firm with LV for this formation, I'd like to know so I can rebase all of my broadsides to one per base as the main book requires.
As stated, I am open minded about this classification. However, I will be using mine individually. If their classification changes, I will simply mount three bases together on a larger one.
Assuming Broadsides are LVs, and therefore based singly, they should still have 4+ armor (no RA), since it takes an average of 5 Lascannon hits to kill one Broadside + 2 Shield Drones, 3 to kill a Broadside + 1 Shield Drone, and 2 to kill a Broadside with a Shield Generator. If I really went for all-out survivability, it would take 6 lascannon hits to kill a Broadside with 2 Shield Drones and a Shied Generator. It takes ~12 lascannon hits to kill a Land Raider (or any other AV14 vehicle), on average. It takes 36 Missile hits to kill a Land Raider, while it takes 216 missile hits to kill a Broadside +2, 36 to kill a broadside +1, or just 6 to kill a Broadside without drones (and I will remind everyone that Drones are assumed to be present and are reflected in the armor save). (It seems I can't do math today. Or remember what the strength of a Lascannon is.  )
So, CS, why exactly are you saying that Broadsides are vulnerable to AT fire?
Because that LasCannon will still take out the Broadside as it does in 40K. There is a lot of emphasis on comparring a Broadside to a Land Raider. How does this all stack up when comparing a tooled-up Broadside to a Marine Dreadnought, or an Eldar Falcon?
By the way, it would be great that someone could decide soon that are those BS going to be LV?s or infantry....so many people would know how to base figures....one or more per base....
We did... a while ago. 
Maybe the real problem is that you're arguing over stats when no one really knows what the unit is supposed to represent?
Absolutely correct...
Broadsides and Crisis suits are assumed 2-3 per base. Based on the current weapons load, it appears that there are 3 Crisis suits or 2 Broadside suits per base.
Are they? You cant have 2 suits to a base, under any classification. As LV they are based individually.
OK. This is how it is going to work:
We are going to leave the Broadsides as LV.
We are going to discuss how, given their LV status and therefore their individual basing, what stats, points and role they should have.
If, in the future, this effort still does not produce Broadsides that we like, we will discuss in measured and rational terms what can be done. But, I would like to make a serious effort in getting them to work without simply saying 'infantry would solve all the problems'. It wouldnt.
I apologise if this come over as a little short. It is not targetted at anyone in particular. Can we try to move on and work at making them better. Saying 'I wont use them because they are not infantry' is not helpful. Use them, complain about them. Work out how we can make them better as LV.
There is the other part of this original question, but I am a little drained. I will return to it as soon as I can.
Thanks.
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