Okay, I get you now.

And it seems to be another person with massed Stingrays... *laugh*  Yes, I love them, but, they really used to be over the top... not sure how "good" they are now.

How many Railheads do you have, if I may ask?

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And it seems to be another person with massed Stingrays... *laugh*  Yes, I love them, but, they really used to be over the top... not sure how "good" they are now.

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I have 12 RailHeads and 6 IonHeads.

Whilst I have 12 Stingrays, I've never used more than 8 in a 3000pt game. I've got more for larger point games.

I have:
12x Stingrays
4x Scorpionfish
2x Morays
12x Railheads
6x Ionheads
3x Skyrays
16x FireWarrior stands
10x Devilfish
12x Broadsides
16x Crisis Suits
6x Pathfinders
8x Tetras
6x Piranhas
12x Sentry Turrets
3x Barracudas
2x AX-1-0
2x Tigersharks
1x Orca
8x Heavy Drones
12x Gun Drones
12x Stealth Suits
3x Swordfish
1x Manta
2x Crisis Comand stands
9x Kroot
1x Kroot Shaper
3x Kroot hounds
3x Krootox
7x Gue'vesa
1x Gue'vesa'ui Command

That lot represents a considerable investment and I want to have the option to use it all when I play Tau.

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WOW - That puts my collection to shame!

Onyx, would it be acceptable if you could use all of those models across different Tau lists or is it important to you that they all be in one list?  For example, if the Sentry Turrets don't make the cut in the core list, as has been suggested, but showed up in a garrison/auxiliary list would that work for you?  I really think that ALL of the models in the Forge World range, plus the popular conversions (stingray, moray) should be playable, I just think they could be split into different lists.

Noone's saying you wouldn't be able to.

You can't use them all in one army unless playing a huge game currently, so you have to select some of them for a 3000ish point game. Splitting the list would make no difference in this regard - every model would still be usable, just not in all the same combinations.

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Sorry to be jumping in somewhat late all but i've refrained from commenting as i don't have Tau force on which to base gaming comments.
HOWEVER, i did want to mention what turned me onto the idea of a tau army to begin with; i saw them as having a different flavour and style of play over any existing epic races and that was one of CLOSE UP FIREPOWER.
I'm talking 15-30cm here, keeping CC and FF values slightly lower than average with higher saves for infantry (6+/5+?), lower for tanks.
So; what does this entail; MOST IMPORTANTLY is bringing back the 15cm pulse rifles for firewarriors (maybe without disrupt?); that was just ASKING for a different style of play!
Also; trying to find some way to encourage people to get stuff like HH's close up and personal; AP4 Smart Missiles with Ignore cover? I'D want to get within range! Perhaps upping the points a little to force people to get the most out of them.
I LIKED the old Jet Packs rule, i felt that it bought flavour to the army, and as you all know flavour is what i feel each list should have.  This is MOST often supported by what a force can't do; so no barrage weapons and being poor in assaults get's my vote i'm afraid! (I know there's a argument either side of the fence and i apologise to chroma for having to take this stand after he's done such stirling work stirring us into action again!)
As for gun line armies; i don't like that possibility; Tau should definitely have some seriously nice long range hard hitters but they shouldn't be the focus; although changing stuff like armoured cadre's to support choice could be one way of doing it i don't think it quite works...
Tuppence for now,
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Same old comments, no new statements there.
It's obvious that I can't use them all in one game, thats why I said "option".

I'm hanging out for an updated list from CS.

There is nothing really new available to all the variant I.G. list (just some variant tanks/transports or E&C's excellent additions to the Tech Guard list for example). Why should the Tau be different?
I like the Minervan list but I can create something almost identical with the Steel Legion list.

The core list should cover the basics (by that I mean all presently available units in 4.4.3) and the variant list should really be for flavour/detail. A variant list would be where all the optional Hammerheads could be (Macro Weapon Hammerhead, etc). A variant list is where all the armed Sentry Turrets could be (in addition to the Markerlight Tower).

BUT I really believe the core list should be finalised first to give any needed variant list, something to work with. I've read the fluff (40K and IA3) and I have no problem with a tank heavy Tau army.

I've nothing new to add here and we are starting to go in circles...again. I wish I had all the answers...

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Yes, I was rather hoping when Chroma posted this that CS may produce an update. Does this list have a sub champion?

I think the idea that Chroma is going with is that if you know ahead of time that you want to make a variant list or two, you can simplify your core list.  If your core list only tries to cover one or two styles of Tau army, then it will be easier to balance.  Knowing that those other styles will be covered makes it possible to make the changes you need.

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Hondo, are you mis-reading my list?

Nowhere in my list are you forced to combine infantry and armoured vehicles in the same formation.  The "support formations" are independent, so the "Armoured Inderdiction Support Cadre" is its own, independent tank formation with no infantry included at all.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea I'm forcing the mixing of tanks and troops in the same formation here; you can have fully independent infantry formations and armoured formations, only mixing them with each other if you wish.

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Thanks mate   .

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If there's one "new" thing to be taken from my list, I'd like to see the flexibility in upgrade sizes added to the next version, CS; Tau are supposed to be about flexibility in their strategic and tactical approach.

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Perhaps this is the key point. My view is that the current list is not an 'all encompassing' force list, but is a tactically flexible one. And there is an important distinction here. There are several types of force that the current list does not address, including the already mentioned auxiliary heavy list, Pathinder recon force, Drone heavy list, Air Caste list, etc. In fact, the current force list (v4.4.3) lets you build an armour heavy list, a Tau infantry list, and the spectrum in between.

Hondo, are you mis-reading my list?

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