As stated, there are mistakes/errors that need to be corrected. I'm sorry, I didn't proof the entire document because I thought it was correct. Ok? Feel better? We've discussed this before and I'm gladly catching all the spears for my mistake because after all, you're really not an AC unless you get crucified every now and then.

This forum is monitored most of the day, almost every day. If you're not sure of something, ask for some clarification.

Can we move on now?

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"Remember Taros? We do"

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I'd like to see you lying prostrate on the ground as the rest of them kick you mercilessly, but other than that, I'm fine.  

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It's a dog-eat-dog world, and I've got my Milkbone underwear on.

Shouldn't I be tazed first? Unless you're completely unconscious, it's still possible to cover up some parts of your body.

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Honda

"Remember Taros? We do"

- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

Would everyone like a lollipop now?    

The lack of errata has led to odd discussions in game, especially if you think a unit is OTT you assume its a mistake and often it seems it isn't!



I believe it was crisis with drones in the past.



Why not the equivalent of stormtroopers? Or other 2+ elites?

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Yeah that'd be the reason why you can no longer add Drones to Crisis formations. They were being used as cheap cannon fodder to keep the Crisis units alive and killing.

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Which other 2+ "elites" are you talking about?

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Perhaps the 6-8 individuals that post regularly constitute a large number for polling purposes in some minds, not in mine. I will point out, from an outsiders point of view,  the reason you hear no opposing views here is the arguments are tiresome differences of opinion without any support. Checked any debating references lately, opinion not supported by fact is not a valid argument.

To quote some posts form another forum, "have you actually played a number of games with the new list?"

On game forums the numbers that post vs lurkers is something like 1 to 25. One effective way to make sure your position is the represented one ( deliberately on not) is to argue and 'gain say'. Lurkers lurk because they do not confront others, when the atmosphere becomes confrontational they do not opine. I however am far from that sort.

So, play the list as it is, or not. Contribute, or not. It is an axiom that a horse designed by committee is a camel. I have empirical data that no game rule set debate actually effected the end of the world, though invective may have others believe it.

GBear

That's one reason why I tend to place support on polls, they tend to garner several times more votes than a typical debate will air.

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Which I think is a good way to draw out opinions. That does not seem to be the Tau problem.  

As we speak, I am editing the list. It's in Publisher which I thankfully have access to, but haven't used in quite awhile, though I don't anticipate any problems.

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Honda

"Remember Taros? We do"

- 23rd Elysian Drop Regiment

What about opinion backed by many games of play...? Personally, I think "fact" is an extremely hard thing to find in something like a wargame played by so many different players, using many different styles, as there are way too many variables.


As you posted this using the quote of mine up top, I am assuming you are directing this at me and as I can't speak for anyone else if you aren't, for me at least, yes I have. It's all I have played since it came out. Actually come to think of it, Tau are all I have played bar 3 games (and yes I can name them all) since 2005. I'm no champion player or a math or stats wiz, but I honestly have to say I know this list pretty well - and that is no boast, just a simple opinion of my own, so feel free to take it as you will.


It's great to see a new opinion here. Welcome aboard btw.

I do have to ask, how do you know the ratio is 1 to 25, if lurkers don't post? Not being confrontational here, just genuinely interested how this can be determined.

IMO, if lurkers want a say, silence won't help them. To paraphrase Honda on the 6.0 list, "If you don't contribute (with batreps etc) you don't get a say." If someone isn't passionate enough to post then they really don't seem like they'd be the kind of person who would care about how the list is completed.


Well then most of the lists produced here would be pretty hump-bearing   i can't answer for anyone else, but I personally like how this list is panning out after all the debate, discussion and plain argument we've done.

Dobbsy, the number is probably derived from number of active users vs. number of posters. Those sort of statistics should be too hard to derive in most forum software packages. It would probably be in the package of admin tools.

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Dear Honda... I would like a new car please.

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I know my most recent post was not directed at you. However; I was not clear, and the intention was a general statement based on the string I read. ( I said I had opinions but did not say I  blurt them out any old time. Which I seem to do more and more lately). I also understand intention is not a refuge so, I did not target you and do apologize  for my indiscriminate  targeting. ( very unTau)

I respect the give and take the forum is designed to foster. I respect the experience of the individuals that take the time to further the hobby and post here. My view still stands, take a look at the current give and take from an outside perspective. The more contentious and time consuming a project of this nature becomes the fewer audience members there are. If you become a "specialty" among Specialty Games, there is no inclination to "canonize" ( my words) by "Those Who Decide".
My empirical evidence is the period I carried an army list for another game system through this very similar rhetorical melee.

On the lurker thing, my empirical evidence is based on  my work with several other forums as moderator. The forum moderator has tools to monitor traffic from all site visitors, the last time I checked the ratio was what I stated for 3 similar forums.
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I would note that despite the limited number of posters that have posted in this particular thread, tactical command is still the largest and most inclusive development group for Epic.

Anyone is welcome to join the debates and help with the larger supplement projects, whether grognard or newbie.

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