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dysartes

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:26 pm

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CS> One quick note re the 4.3.3 document (having just scanned it), and having not seen it mentioned elsewhere (and I just went through the 4.3.3 thread to check

) is the random OR before Twin Ion Cannon on the Tiger Shark profile - I get the feeling its left over from a "joint" profile, including the AX-10, but I could be wrong.

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CyberShadow

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:41 pm

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Hena - I would guess that a Battlestats with versions would be possible... but would get exponentially larger with time, and would be difficult to add to later.

Tactica - From what I gather, 'fan list' generally means slightly over-powered in general due to being produced by people who like the force and want it to win. I am paraphrasing, and possibly over-emphasising the opinion, but essentially that is the impression that I get. Also, I was very careful to say 'perceived inbalance'. I do not think that this is a real problem within the list, but countering the perception of this is important (whether it exists or not) and something that I will need to deal with. One of the problems of theh current SG structure where the highlight is on a small number of forces being developed is that the development of other lists falls almost exclusively to the fans... this leads to the impression that it cant be balanced in some way.

I dont think that the feeling is that the list is not up to adequate development levels. I dont think that we should be disheartened about this, and a new Vault version (coming soon) should help with this.

Note that I also state that I will need to investigate the truth in this general opinion. Then I would like to address the perception. This may well mean absolutely no changes to the list. It may just be a public relations exercise (something that we tau are quite good at!

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dysartes - the rogue 'OR' is a hang-over from when both types of aircraft were available in a single selection.

Thanks all.

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dysartes

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:55 pm

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CS> I figued that'd be all the OR was, but as I hadn't seen anyone else mention it, I figured I would

Hena> It'd be doable, for sure - but it'd takequite a bit of effort to set up, and as CS points out, it'd keep growing as each new version of a list was added - plus the person running it would need to be kept up-tio-date with list releases.

Thinking on the verion factor, you could get around it (to an extent) by having a drop-down with the various version numbers in- these would then get stored as a variable. Of course, the version numbers would have to be driven by which army was selected, etc....

Then you've got to think about how you're displaying the data - just by adding version numbers in, it allows you to filter results to, for instance, show how AMTL v2.0 is performing, or how Tau lists since v4.0 have performed - which would certainly be useful compared to the current all-versions-in-one-table approach.

Adding a link to baterps would be fairly straightforward - you'd just need a field for people to enter the URL, including the http:// part.

Hmm....

*Goes away to think*

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The_Real_Chris

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 4:43 am

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Plus you would have to consider how to deal with version two of AMTL playing version 6 and 7 of the Imperial Dairy Guard list - how to display results then? Auto ignore results against previous versions of a list or have the option to filter certain versions out?

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dysartes

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:12 am

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It'd be doable to filter results to show only, say, results of games of AMTL 2.0 vs Tau 4.3.3 if desired - at a guess, I'd say you'd record the army type (ie, Iyanden, Steel Legion, Feral Orks) and their versions in one table, and use a key to refer to it in a main table, which'd be more efficient.

*Goes to dig up his lecture notes on database design/MySQL, and have a think about how to set it up*

The question becomes to do with how you want the data displayed, and whether you want to be able to display individual records. Also, preventing duplication of results (ie, both players reporting the same game) should be doable, with a little care.

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CyberShadow

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sun Feb 19, 2006 12:27 pm

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Actually, you shouldnt even need a table of army versions. A simple field in the battle record for each forces version number would do. You could then compile a report with criteria of the army version number.

The problem may be the labelling system that is used. Unless you allowed the user to manually type in the army list version number (which is subject to error) you would need to be aware of every version number and update the option list as and when required.

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Tactica

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 12:53 am

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In an attempt to put this back on topic - CS:

1) What do you think v4.3.4 is going to look like?

2) When do you think we'll see v4.3.4?

3) When are we going to get a vault update? (if we keep waiting for 'the next version' - we'll never get a vault update)

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CyberShadow

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:00 am

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Too true.

My plan is...

I will open a number of threads this week dealing with changes to version 4.3.3.

When these changes are discussed and sorted through, they will be applied to version 4.3.3 to create version 4.4 - which will go directly to the Vault.

I will then create a second version of 4.4, identicle except that it will be better laid out and more professional in appearance, with pictures and colour.

This will then take us to the release of the 40K Tau Empire Codex, which we can then start to apply to for version 4.4.1.

How does this sound?

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Ginger

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 1:11 am

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Two quick comments guys (to prove I'm still here as well)

Regarding the Tau list - I have not commented on the vast bulk (irrespective of whether it is a 'fan' list or not) both because I have not really had the opportunity to observe units other than the infamous TS, and the ones that I have seen (Crisis, Hammerheads and pathfinders) do not immediately appear as 'unbalancing' IMO. So, until I can get some more games in, 'the jury is out' as far as I am concerned ?

Regarding the Battlestats - could one of you open a thread in the appropriate part of the board - it should be discussed from the previous comments presented.

All the best

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CyberShadow

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:07 am

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Quote (Ginger @ 20 Feb. 2006 (00:11))

Regarding the Battlestats - could one of you open a thread in the appropriate part of the board - it should be discussed from the previous comments presented.

Done. New Battlestats thread in the EpiComms News > Web News board.

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Tactica

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 3:02 am

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Quote (CyberShadow @ 19 Feb. 2006 (18:00))

?Too true.

My plan is...

I will open a number of threads this week dealing with changes to version 4.3.3.

When these changes are discussed and sorted through, they will be applied to version 4.3.3 to create version 4.4 - which will go directly to the Vault.

I will then create a second version of 4.4, identicle except that it will be better laid out and more professional in appearance, with pictures and colour.

This will then take us to the release of the 40K Tau Empire Codex, which we can then start to apply to for version 4.4.1.

How does this sound?

CS,

Sounds like a plan we can hold accountable for...

...no pressure. :alien:

I'm very happy to hear that the next version should be the vault version (finally - a public update!)

Cheers for the quick response and agenda time line,

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Nerroth

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:10 pm

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Hey, at least you are getting your comments more widely noticed (unlike my poor Hero-class' 6 tracers, and tightly-squeezed-inside-a-Manta's-bay Tetras and Piranhas... sniff)

Looking forward to the new Vaulted edition, I'll need to do a Gue'senshi v7.2 when you have it posted up...

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CyberShadow

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:50 pm

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Quote (Nerroth @ 24 Feb. 2006 (21:10))

Hey, at least you are getting your comments more widely noticed (unlike my poor Hero-class' 6 tracers, and tightly-squeezed-inside-a-Manta's-bay Tetras and Piranhas... sniff)

Not ignored, just checking to see if you noticed... OK, I forgot. Amended.

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Nerroth

Post subject: CS - v4.3.4 Topics?

Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:38 am

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Cool!

Not as cool as those new Cybermen - they are reeeeee....eee....eee...eally cool!

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