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Updated force list, phase one
Dobbsy	Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:29 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:24 am Posts: 4499 Location: Melbourne, Australia	I think the main issue is actualy the Crisis suits not the Broadsides. Every other army's SC gets infantry status - to give the Tau a LV SC disadvantages them -even in some small way. I personally only care that the Crisis don't become LV. If I can't properly protect my SC like everyone else can it doesn't feel right in the rules. NH -If we have to designate them as heavy inf. though, I wouldn't be opposed to this, but I'm not sure we will get a new category of unit. I'd also be interested to see if the majority of players who are asking for the change to LV actually play Tau in E:A. The knowledge that NH doesn't, shocked me greatly given he posts about Tau regularly. I'm not saying we stifle all those who don't play Tau from giving input (far from it you need that input) but it makes me worry that this issue could see the Tau list be unnecessarily adjusted for the worst because some players have a negative feeling towards Crisis Suits as infantry when they play against them (of course this argument can be turned the other way by Tau players, granted). Not saying that NH would do this, of course! Not having a go at you here Neal.
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nealhunt	Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:39 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	No offense taken.  I try to limit posts to conceptual issues (like inf/LV) and point out things that look off on paper.  I defer to players on matters of in-game balance. Nevertheless, I will actually soon be playing Tau and will, of course, then become utterly insufferable in my strident and voluminous opinions. _________________ Neal
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Chroma	Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:52 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2005 3:06 pm Posts: 9684 Location: Montréal, QC, Canada	Quote (clausewitz @ 17 Nov. 2005 (22:10)) On the other forum one member (Kyrt), does make a good point I thought though. ?A light vehicle is a vehicle: moves like a vehicle, is driven (through a control mechanism) not walked forward. ?Infantry are "men" in various types of armour. I think the Eldar War Walker is a good example to look act. It's fast and manueverable and is essentially a guy in a big suit!  Definitely a Light Vehicle though.  Other than the mobility afforded by Tau jetpacks, wouldn't these two weapon platforms be used similarly?   The Crisis Suits really seem more like a War Walker class unit than a squad of guys... _________________ "EPIC: Total War" Lead Developer Now living in Boston... any EPIC players want to meet up?
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clausewitz	Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:12 am
Brood Brother Joined: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:02 pm Posts: 916 Location: Glasgow, Scotland	The thing is a Crisis unit is a squad of guys, whereas a War Walker is a single vehicle. If you look at the models on the table and some are several little "guys" on a stand you think infantry, if its one albeit small vehicle you think vehicle, and if that vehicle is not well armoured you add light vehicle.
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Nerroth	Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:49 am
Brood Brother Joined: Tue Aug 02, 2005 12:00 pm Posts: 573 Location: Canada	Well, it can be a team of Tau women too... For what it's worth, I think a Ta'ro'cha of Crisis should be Infantry - three of them per stand are hardy enough not to get popped by AT shots at a go. Although I wouldn't be so sure about Broadsides, I could live with them either way... Gary _________________ Gue'senshi: The 1st Kleistian Grenadiers v7.3 pdf Human armed forces for the greater good.
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HecklerMD

Post subject: Updated force list, phase one Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 6:01 am

Brood Brother Joined: Sun Jan 02, 2005 5:42 am Posts: 201

Quote (Chroma @ 17 Nov. 2005 (22:52)) I think the Eldar War Walker is a good example to look act. It's fast and manueverable and is essentially a guy in a big suit! According to Swordwind The War Walker is a giant, bipedal vehicle, piloted by an Eldar Guardian mounted at the top of the walker who is in turn encased within a powerful force field of unique Eldar design. Definitley not  a suit. Blow the leg of a WW (A LV, BTW) and it falls over and the pilot can hop out and run away, or whatever.  Blow the leg off a XV8, and you've just blown off the leg of the Tau inside it, because he was wearing it like a suit, not piloting it like a (bipedial) vehicle. Also, from the Rule Book, the definition of Light Vehicle, contrasted with what the XVs actually are: Light vehicles include any unarmoured (XVs are Armored) vehicles (XVs are battlesuits/exoskeletons) where the crew is exposed to enemy fire (XV wearers are not exposed) , such as Ork Buggies (...) Going by how the rulebook explains LVs, they are the exact opposite of what XVs, and indeed most any battlesuit, actually are. asaura: Crisis and Broadsides are still good units when they're LV. The world won't end whichever way we model them.

Then it is a good thing I did not claim it would.  I had considerd telling everyone that XV8s as LVs = breaking the 7th seal, but I knew astute scholars such as yourself would see through my ruse.  So, instead, I just stressed the importance to the list and used comparisons to units with similar aspects to make my case.

Asaura, weather you meant it or not, you post seemed like a troll.  Just try to find out how tall a Ork Nob is, without a Ork Codex, and you'll get an idea that the time I put into my post(s) is not triffling.  I dont know why you felt it worthy of a off-base and off-topic reply.  If you dont feel its that important to you, dont criticize or mock others who may feel that it is.  I, like the rest of us, am trying to make this  list the best, most balenced list it can be, and anything less would not be worth my time.