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The Jetpack rule is 'broken'
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Well technically the jump back solution E&C proposed is also a way of avoiding assaults.  They use it to fire in range at the enemy and then jump back to keep out of assaulting range.  They just do it during their own turn.  Both ideas work, but (on paper anyway) this appears to be simpler and less cheesy.

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(Evil and Chaos @ Oct. 31 2007,11:12)
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I was making a point about your use of generalisations Hena.

You can't generalize about Hena's generalizations, E&C, that would be a major mistake.  You may suffer some form of corporal punishment if your don't take such discussions private... it's the most admirable way of doing things.

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The 40K Jet Pack mechanics are mostly irrelevant with respect to Epic mechanics.  The scale on which the 40K rules work barely shows up in Epic.  it's nice if you can take them into account but they can also be jettisoned freely if necessary.

There are several proposals for Jet Packs that could be workable - the current rules, this 10cm move, or allowing them to force FF (or just always allow the Tau units to force FF).  The real question is what is in keeping with the background and also makes for the best game experience.

Personally, I like the idea of letting Tau Jet Pack units always use their FF value when attacked, to represent a short-range firing retreat as the enemy closes to base contact.  It's pretty simple and in keeping with both background and an epic scale representation of the 40K mechanics.

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That isn't bad either, Neal.  It would also get rid of another special rule because you can just apply skimmer to the jump pack troops and be done with it.  Voila! A special rule eliminated and a problem solved.

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Skimmer would be THE solution if you think that the move-shoot-move of the WH40k rules are on a too small scale as to be allowed in Epic.

But then this would allow pop-up attacks. Something that Crisis suits can't do in Wh40k. But it would be a minor change to disallow this in the units notes.

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There are shades of the idea.

1) Make them Skimmer  (pop-ups throw a monkey wrench).
2) Only give the Jetpacks the force-FF ability, not full skimmer.
3) Only let the Tau use their FF.  The enemy would still eventually close, allowing them to CC (could be fiddly)
*) Optionally for the second and third versions, make it only work on the defense.

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Option 2 I guess would be skimmer ability and a note on the unit no pop ups?

Or is a note about FF less words?

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Notes: Skimmer (May not pop-up).

OR:

Notes: May always choose to Firefight when fighting an Enagement.

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I'm for:
Notes: May always choose to Firefight when fighting an Engagement.

Because Tau Jetpacks don't allow ignoring terrain on the move.

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With: " May always choose to Firefight when fighting an Engagement." the Tau Jetpack-unit can always choose to FF but the enemy unit in base contact can use CC.

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(Hena @ Oct. 31 2007,16:07)
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The problem with forcing FF is that then it makes Tau almost completely impossible to engage in close combat. They have already huge amount of skimmers. With this a large amount of infantry is protected from CC as well. This would be too good.

That's one reason I prefer the 10cm post-shot move. :)

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Interesting point BL, would that be what people want though?

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There are many who would argue the current jet pack rule already makes it near impossible to CC the those Tau units.

I'm fine with any of the proposed changes. ?The line note of choosing a FF sounds like the simplest solution as it will avoid all the confusion a skimmer notation would undoubtedly bring.

EDIT I am fine with the FF idea either via skimmer notation, modified skimmer notation, or just a notation.  I'm also fine with E&C's idea.  The CC thing seems out of sorts, however.




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