So then can we move ahead with just the adjustment to the ML-GM rule alone? Ignore the brainstorming on how to implement a new proposal for GMs?

As usual no one seems to be giving any hard feedback on an adjusted ML-GM rule (including me    )

Agreed. We've only just come to a consensus on GMs/MLs, we really should see how that plays out before radically changing the way they work.

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I agree with Hena; The gunline style of the current list has made Tau players expect to be able to take down Titans with pure firepower, without manuever or tactics.


This is why units like the Moray, the Stingray, the Scorpionfish etc are hurting the Tau army style.

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Indeed, I don't like the non-FW/GW idea of the Tau as a static gunline army; I've said many times that the majority of the new SG units heavily promote a static gunline style.

The Tau should be an army of manuever.

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*Shrug*

Both have placed a greater emphasis on Guided Missiles than exists in the background, leading to a static gunline (With ML pickets) rather than an army of manuever.

Q:
The Tau aren't supposed to use artillery and Titans, so what did the SG list writers do?

A:
They added artillery and titans... by mutating existing units and adding new ones until if you squint a lot, they're not really using artillery and Titans, just stuff that behaves in exactly the same way as artillery and Titans.

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Out of curiosity, I'm interested if you used crossfire?

Dobbsy:

I didn't say that the Tau shouldn't be a firepower army (They should!). What I said is that Tau shouldn't be an artillery & 'titans' army.

'Tau Firepower' means massed railgun fire, or aircraft attacks, punctuated by GM attacks that harass the enemy (Which aren't really a main-line battle weapon, and certainly don't fly in the kind of GM swarms that the SG/NetEA list allows).

'Firepower' doesn't mean making up your own titan-class assets (Scorpionfish / Moray) to plug holes, especially if those holes are areas that the Tau should be weak on.


The Tau shouldn't have Titans, but the NetEA list has several.
The Tau shouldn't have massed GM fire available, but the NetEA list does.


Am I going to extremes to make a point? Yes.
Am I, in principle, correct? I think I am.

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Welcome back to the insanity, Mosc!

I never played the "orbiting cloud of seeker missiles" that I was commenting on, but I do have some concerns about the viability of the list with a 15cm MW and a 45cm TK or three.  Tau don't need them in 40k because there's no War Engines in 40k.  Tau do need a way to deal with WE/Titans in Epic.

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Then you want the tau to have the nastiest air power in the game *for ground attack*.  A "modern" army needs either arty or air (or both to a lesser degree).  If you don't have one, the other needs to make up the difference.

'Tau Firepower' means massed railgun fire, or aircraft attacks, punctuated by GM attacks that harass the enemy (Which aren't really a main-line battle weapon, and certainly don't fly in the kind of GM swarms that the SG/NetEA list allows).

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I'll try and add something new rather than the endless repetition of some members (well known) view points.

How about Disrupt for GM's?
From my reading of IA3, it was the tactic of firing a few GM's that would slow down and disrupt the advance of the Imperial forces. They never knew when a missile was going to come flying over the horizon and kill a tank.

This would only be my suggestion if GM's become dependant on ML's to fire.
Trying to keep the number of MW options down was also why I proposed Lance aswell (very helpful in certain situations without going to full MW power).

Mosc, DON'T sell em mate. One day, we'll get this list working and then you'll regret it   .

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Yep, that's fine by me.

'Tau Firepower' means massed railgun fire, or aircraft attacks, punctuated by GM attacks that harass the enemy (Which aren't really a main-line battle weapon, and certainly don't fly in the kind of GM swarms that the SG/NetEA list allows).

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I really have nothing to add to E&Cs posting. Thats exactly my thoughts too.

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