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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:28 pm 
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(Hena @ Mar. 20 2007,04:02)
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Tetra has armour values in 40k. (10/10/10). Usually that means LV (same as land speeder). Though one might think that the save would be 4+ instead of 5+.

I think this argument is flawed Hena. I mean, Broadsides don't have 10/10/10 in 40K yet we've classified them as LV in Epic. Are you saying that because 40K classifies Tetras as vehicles, that Broadsides should be Infantry in Epic? If you can make a conclusion one way(Tetras should be LV in Epic), you can't then turn around and say something else is different (Broadsides are also LV) based on 40K. ?If we're going to keep using 40K to make Epic rules it's going to bite us in the ass eventually....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:59 pm 
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Dobbsy:  There are several units that are infantry in 40K which are heavy enough to be classified as LV or AV in Epic.  I can't think of any that went the other way.

That is not necessarily a determining factor that we're bound by, but it does lend some credence to Hena's position.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:43 am 
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Why not?

Hey look, I'm ok either way with Tetras (so far) I'm just trying to understand why such a decision is a one way street. Why should there be opposition to it if CS wants to design it that way? We seem to make decisions based on the 40K model(the design and the miniature), so why not take it this way for the Tetras as infantry? Will it break the "fine tuning" of Epic?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 4:02 am 
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There are several Infantry-style units as LVs or AVs, mostly Monstrous Creatures. Tyranid Monstrous Creatures are almost all AVs or LVs. My opinion is that the AV/LV vs Infantry designation should come down to two major factors: Deployment methods and size. Infantry are fielded in large units of people. Space Marine Bikes are deployed 5-10 strong IIRC. While Land Speeders are only 3 strong. LVs are generally larger as well and easier to pick out the even Bikes are. These, in my mind at least, are what differentiate the Vehicles from the Infantry. The distinction between LV and AV should be made based on their durability and what is able to kill them reasonably. Are you better off using lascannons or heavy bolters?

As far as Tetras go, I'd be inclined to go with LVs. They're about as big and similarly deployed to Land Speeders. Land Speeders are usually deployed in units of 1-3 IIRC in 40K scale. The deployment style of the Tetras, I think, would be better represented by the way the unit is organized. Since they're deployed in pairs, perhaps a unit of 6 would best represent them. That would be 3 squads of 2 making a single formation on the Epic-scale battlefield.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 12:37 pm 
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Well, it seems that there are good views on this both ways. My gut says that these should be infantry, but the fact that they are already LV and based this way for many people, combined with the fact that there is no clear 'right' answer leads to believe that they should remain unchanged. (I still love them, and might even get a 40K one!)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:23 pm 
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(CyberShadow @ Mar. 22 2007,11:37)
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Well, it seems that there are good views on this both ways. My gut says that these should be infantry, but the fact that they are already LV and based this way for many people, combined with the fact that there is no clear 'right' answer leads to believe that they should remain unchanged. (I still love them, and might even get a 40K one!)

I'd say leave them LV as well.

If you're worried about the deployment style with respect to numbers you can increase the units per formation.  If you're worried about durability as an LV, increase the armor as was done with many other LVs.

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(baronpiero @ Mar. 20 2007,20:19)
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I got the numbers wrong, or rather out dated: it seems forgeworld packaging has changed since I bought some. There was 4 tetras in a pack a while back. Now there is only 3 Tetras.

You know, I am sure that I saw this earlier, but it didnt register! So, Forge World took one Piranha out of each pack without changing the price? Thanks FW!  :devil:

Now, I have three Piranhas that dont fit in a set.  :(

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:13 pm 
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Well would that mean a multiple of three models used in a formation?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:00 pm 
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You know, I am sure that I saw this earlier, but it didnt register! So, Forge World took one Piranha out of each pack without changing the price? Thanks FW!  :devil:


Worse: that's one piranha less and one tetra less (I got 4 Tetras and 3 Piranhas in my good old two packs).

And... a bad bad thing: now Barracudas are packed by two!! Pretty big problem.

At least one cool thing: AX10's are available! Maybe not new tough.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 8:58 am 
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Yes, I realised the additional drop in Tetra right after posting! The Barracuda doesnt bother me so much - I never got the packs of three to realise which I was missing, and it fits with their other aircraft packs (although I now need to buy Barracuda packs in threes for two squadrons each time). The Recon packs are now nine pounds (UK) for five small models! I just dont understand why FW would reduce the number of models except to make more money on them.  :(

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2007 12:42 pm 
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The packs were changed in size back when Imperial Armour III came out I think, in order to match the number of units found in the Taros Campaign armylist.

- You buy Barracudas in twos.
- You buy Piranahs in threes.
- You buy Tetras in fours (Two packs).

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