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nealhunt	Post subject: Firewarriors Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:30 pm
Purestrain Joined: Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:52 pm Posts: 9617 Location: Nashville, TN, USA	How would you go about *fixing* the FW's then since we are quite happy with the PF's as is? No clue at this point.  I haven't played Tau in months and when I did I was focused on other, non-FW issues.  I can't comment on FW performance. I was just looking at stats v numbers.  The proportion looks off, for what I hope are obvious reasons. _________________ Neal

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Tactica	Post subject: Firewarriors Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:25 pm
Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241	Quote (nealhunt @ 22 Feb. 2006 (14:30)) I was just looking at stats v numbers.  The proportion looks off, for what I hope are obvious reasons. Completely agree. Their points do not match their performance - by comparison to the Pathfinders in the list. Thus a part of my original response to your post a page or two ago. Cheers, _________________ Rob

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Post subject: Firewarriors Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 10:44 pm

Brood Brother Joined: Sat Jul 09, 2005 12:12 am Posts: 2241

Quote (Hena @ 22 Feb. 2006 (13:14)) One question is, why do the Pathfinders have the sniper on every unit? Or for the matter at all? Consider the marine scouts in 40k. They can have the sniper rifle as well, however only one model can be upgraded in scout formation to have sniper ability. How about doing the same for pathfinders? Can't compare marine scouts to Tau pathfinders - its apples and oranges. This E:A Tau decision to make pathfinders have the E:A Sniper ability goes back to JimmyGrill. If you are familiar with the Tau core design concepts from 40K or fluff - the Pathfinders are the elite sniping scout formation. Probably because Pathfinders are the premier sniper in the Tau battle line. All of them mark targets for the rest of the army, Their are 3 Strength 6 railrifles per unit, they can fire at different targets etc... (In E:A you only need 3-7 models to equal a unit) just a core design element really that was mirrored into E:A Tau. Frankly, the formation has worked great and caused no problems in playtest since inception. Their also a good answer against Tyranids! But PF's aren't really the question in this thread, it's the FW - so back on topic for me... Second point is that firewarriors could have 2 x AP5+ shots.

If you can get to 15cm, the E:A Tau do have that. Are you proposing that heve it at 30cm?

They certainly pack more punch in 40k.

Amen to that.

Would that be over the top?
Don't know.

Perhaps drop the disrupt ability
In exchange for 2x shot at 30cm? Maybe an idea to try.


(why is it there anyway)?

This also goes back to a JimmyGrill decision. In 40K, Tau can have all pulserifles (1 shot at 30", 2 shots at 12") or Tau can have up to half the models in the formation with pulse carbines (these cause pinning in 40K but have a shorter range) and the other half would still have pulse rifles.

So, the 15cm shot is causing disrupt to represent pulse carbines at a lessor range. Ironically, nobody plays the pulse carbines really and there was a big push by Tau players to make them 2 shot.

If you do the math in 40K, the Pulse Rifle is a better proposition due to the 2 shots at 1" - 12" range. They are also better proposition at the >18" - 30" range. That means the Pulse carbine in 40K really only has a valuable range at >12"-18" range. (a 6" window of efficiency out of the 30" potential) Thus - they are not fielded by the top players at all.

One also might consider giving it AT6+, but I don't think thats a good idea.

An AT shot is what they need to become flexiable, but its not really supported in the current E:A development. All 40K Strength 5 (and even Strenght 6 40K weaponry - think heavy bolter and multilaser) are considered AP only shots. Its not until you get to 40K Strength 7 shots that they gain some amount of AT6+.

So I'd have to agree with you Hena, Not being able to fight in combat and not being able to have an AT shot makes the formation questionable when there are other better choices in the list.

Unless from E:A terms you are looking for a 200 point Cadre to gain more access to the rest of the Contingents in the list, I struggle to find value in the E:A Tau for the 200 - 300 point investment in the Formation.