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Post subject: Crisis Cadre  Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:00 pm |
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I don't understand the logic of giving some bonus to Tau-only forces. If people don't like the auxilia, then just don't take them and use the points on Tau stuff.
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 4:01 pm |
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| Quote (Steele @ 26 Nov. 2005 (10:16)) | | Quote (asaura @ 26 Nov. 2005 (11:05)) | | Quote (HecklerMD @ 26 Nov. 2005 (07:34)) | | Its seems like bad mojo to have to burn up a contingent choice to take a supreme commander. |
You can get a Crisis upgrade and put the SC on that. No need to use a contingent choice. |
Why slow down a Formation ( Firewarriors w/ Devilfish) ? Narrowed use of Jetpacks aside.
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Huh? I'm just saying that there is a way to get the SC without burning a contingent slot even if Crisis was not a cadre.
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:32 pm |
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| Quote (CyberShadow @ 26 Nov. 2005 (13:50)) | - Crisis Cadre: It seems that the general feel is that this Cadre works OK and that people like it. It doesnt sit 100 percent with me concerning the background, but I have no real reason to get rid of it... although uping it to 6 units is worth of consideration.
- Auxilia/Additional formation: I must admit that I would like to add a formation to Tau-only forces... My warped brain has been thinking of this recently and I stumbled on the potential of a modified Tigershark formation (called a Whiteshark? ? ) with modified cargo of a second formation of Drones and Crisis suits which could be dropped as per the normal rules...?
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CS,
Regarding your two points:
I don't understand the reasoning behind considering forcing an upgrade to 6 in the cadre. The formation is working at 4 with an option to upgrade to 6. Does this formation need to be be bigger for some reason in your mind?
Regarding your second consideration, I'd recomend you start a new thread. It deserves a bit more clarification on what you are talking about doing. When the army champion says - I have an idea, if its not a clear idea, then minds start wandering. Also, it has nothing to do with the crisis comment this thread was positioned on - and people that don't care about crisis may never see the comments about the planes that you are kicking around.
Cheers,
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:26 pm |
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I would say that the supposed 'rarity' of Crisis teams is far less of an issue on T'au that one may believe.
In terms of production capacity, there is no indication that the Empire is lacking in its ability to churn out sufficient XV8s for its armed forces. (Indeed, to the Fire Caste the XV8 would be seen in the manner that carapace armour on grenadier-doctrine IG worlds would be, not in the manner that those guard would see Marines!)
Each Battlesuit Cadre represents only twelve warriors, not a lot considering that for fifty points less one can see forty shas'la on the table. However, the place of those twelve XV8 pilots in the list is at the very core of the Hunter Cadre, the key to the uniqueness of the Tau armed forces in the battlefields of the Eastern Fringe, and should not lose its place as a core choice.
Perhaps the myriad variants seen in the Empire regarding the role of certain other core formations (More Crisis teams from Vior'la, core Stealth and Broadside Cadres from Sa'cea, core alien auxiliary formations from Dal'yth etc) can be explored once the T'au list is out of the way and we have time to expand on the empire's diversity, but the T'au list is more or less fine enough as it stands.
And as regards all-Tau armies, I am a firm believer in the notion that you should focus on the strengths of the force you choose while taking into account its weaknesses (if you forego that Kroot or Gue'vesa formation, those points go into arguably more useful formation choices anyway!) Besides, the alien contengent in the T'au list isn't that big of a deal in any event - which is the whole point, this list is primarily focussed on Hunter Cadres, exactly where it should be! Dal'yth will be where the presence of the rest of the Empire should really be felt...
So don't have a crisis over the XV8 Cadre - and please forget about this bonus-to-Tau-only-armies idea, they don't need it and should have to plan without it.
Gary
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 9:36 pm |
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 4:05 am |
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If they were laying prone in the launchbay, you might get 1 or 2 stands, but you would probably still need two whiteshark mods to get 4 stands on the board.
It 'could' be done though.....
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:48 pm |
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Auxiliary/Tau-only: The reason the bonus contingent for all-Tau was added was because there was no armor cadre and nearly everyone felt that armor was essential. This basically auto-burned contingent slots and made the auxiliary nearly a required part of the army. Personally, I think that with the addition of an armor cadre that the all-Tau bonus contingent could simply be eliminated.
I'd like to hear if people are having trouble with lack of slots. So far, no army list I've drafted has had anything beyond modest problems with availability.
Specialty formations: I'm not sold on the idea that they are needed. Kinda neat, but I think they can be heavily customized as it is. However, if you want to add focuesd formations, I suggest you add them into the Auxiliary formations' slots in the list. In other words, each Cadre would allow 1 alien auxiliary or 1 specialty formation.
Crisis: I don't have a problem with the current formation.
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Post subject: Crisis Cadre Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:36 am |
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Personally, I think that with the addition of an armor cadre that the all-Tau bonus contingent could simply be eliminated. |
Agreed, with the advent of recent changes. from v4.1, i think we've remedied the old problem that used to linger in the list and required the 'bonus' contingent. I'm with NH. Now with the armored cadre and upgrades avail, the 'bonus contingent' clause can easily be removed.
I'd like to hear if people are having trouble with lack of slots. |
Not anything significant in Tau WIP v4.2.x.
So far, no army list I've drafted has had anything beyond modest problems with availability.
Agreed.
Specialty formations: I'm not sold on the idea that they are needed. Kinda neat, but I think they can be heavily customized as it is.
Agreed with this statement in regards to the CS proposed formations in discussion.
However, if you want to add focuesd formations, I suggest you add them into the Auxiliary formations' slots in the list. In other words, each Cadre would allow 1 alien auxiliary or 1 specialty formation.
My vote is not to limit alien aux, and leave out the specialty formations CS.
Cheers,
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I guess I'm trying to express my view for keeping them as a formation of their own.
