While I was reading the Tigershark entry (around page 200), there is mention of a TS variant that is armed with burst cannon and seekers. So, I let that sort of float downstream a little and realized that could be the solution.

I think that one of the reasons I think the Scorpionfish is necessary, is because of the need that it addresses. Even in 40K, GW has added "capabilities" to the Tau that allow them Scorpionfish like abilities, without adding the vehicle. E&C was correct when he stated that it was a flyer. Now I could extrapolate and build in the ability to hover, but let's just say that I don't. Also by making the Scorpionfish a ground unit, it is part of the Fire Caste. A Tigershark would be Air Caste.

So, I am first off interested in seeing if we, in general, can agree with the points on Tau warfare. Secondly, the Tigershark missile boat (for lack of a better name). What could this look like, stats-wise? We can fiddle with the cost once we know what it does.

I have also come to the opinion that drone formations should be able to deep strike/teleport based on how they are used from the standard Tigershark. That would get them operating as described in IA-3.

So, thoughts and comments?

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one question about any missile boat we gonna use: ok, we agreed that AP missiles are no-no. Are we similarly afraid of MW missiles? just to be sure

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Well we had fun while it lasted hey Hena  

I would like to keep MW missiles out of the Core list, as just like AP missiles they don't exist for typical Tau armies.

The Tigershark with missiles carries a specific type of missile in the 40k rules/background, not MW missiles.

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Tau list completely destroyed ... idiocy ...

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My proposal is only contingent on an 'Armoured' list being sponsored by the ERC / developed by Honda.

I would object in the most strenuous of terms if only my proposals for the core list were carried through and my proposal that an Armoured list be developed left aside, as I think that would harm the community.

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Not fond of hyperbole then Hena?

I look at this situation as us building a proper Tau list, to replace the deeply flawed list that had been developed.

5.1 Tau perhaps has the potential to become balanced, but it has several Mary Sue units, and doesn't properly behave how a Tau army should behave.

A Tau army should not be based on sitting in your board half shelling the enemy with missiles.

That's meant to be a Tau harassment tactic, not the lynchpin of their battle doctrine ; that's not how the Tau make war, and as a worse problem, it's not an interesting playstyle either.

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I am surprised and honoured that my proposal is being considered, and I assure you that if my proposal is chosen as a list style to test, the Tau army list will fight how the Tau fight in the background, and not play like how they fight in Warhammer 40,000.

It'll also be fun.

If my proposal does not result in a fun style of play, I'll eat my hat.

All of this is your opinion E&C.

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I'm not sure to what you are referring (hammerhead variants or drone turret armament) but Epic seems to have lots of small changes to units, witness land Speeders.

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Watch out with those kind of promises ;-) I made similar "not going to happen" promise during ropecon and lo and behold! It happened. Now I need to paint bucketloads of warmachine models in one week  

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HONDA:

Linked to here is a theoretical "Tigershark with extra missiles". The document also contains stats for the standard Tigershark for easy comparison.

Both have had their to-hit stats ajusted where nessesary to fit with my proposal. Add +1 to hit on the weapons marked in red if you wish to ignore that aspect of my proposal.



Personally I don't like it, for a couple of reasons:

1 - It's too similar to the standard Tigershark, which already has a Burst Cannon and a couple of Seeker Missile attacks.

2 - I think if a new aircraft unit were warranted, an Orca gunship variant would be better for the community, as there is no suitable variant Tigershark model, whilst many people have already converted Orcas into gunships so that they can be Scorpionfishes, thus they could easily be re-purposed to be used as an Orca Gunship.

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Theres the drone tigershark

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I'm wary of having Markerlights on aircraft, as my proposal makes Markerlights really useful... so if an aircraft with a Markerlight survives its trip through flak into the enemy area, it could potentially Markerlight a decent ammount of the enemy force, with the only reprisal available being Fighter Interception.

So, I'm wary.


It could be best to counts-as them as Heavy Gun Drones, as they are both large drones with burst cannons and markerlights,

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