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Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Mon Jul 18, 2005 10:51 pm ]
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Hi,

I thought I'd reiterate a few of my opinions/suggestions from the old forum.

1. I don't think the Praetorian statline represents the massive warrior-servitors described in the background OR the small battle-servitors found in 40K. A bunch of ideas...

http://www.geocities.com/lordinquisitor/praetorians.htm

2. It would be nice to have more Centurio Ordinatus engines. Although the main Ordinati are supposed to be very rare, there is some background suggesting the Centurio Ordinatus are a proper branch that regularly supports the titan legions or tech-guard. Here's some off-the-cuff ideas for less rare war engine ordinance...

http://www.geocities.com/lordinq....sus.htm

3. I don't find the current praetorian or skitarii platoons units a viable alternative to other units such as Scout titans. While they might be great in (say) an Imperial Guard army, more Titans are almost always more effective. I would suggest increasing the size of their formations, but reducing their cost would work too.

4. Make the Tech-priest an upgrade for the Titans (possibly helping to recover fields or even restore DC), and Electro-priests could lead the skitarii. That or simply have Tech-priests and Titan tech-priests.

5. I still like the idea that Tech-priests (and only tech-priests) could have an improved transport to signify their rank and connection to machines (Land Raider was what I was thinking of, but I know of - if not accept - the fluff arguments against this)

6. I don't like the Sentinels or Hydras in the list - they seem 'tacked on' to the list. (For suggested replacements, see Praetorians and Centurio engines above).

Lord Inquisitor (formally Arch Heretic)
Author:  The_Real_Chris [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:19 am ]
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Quote (Lord Inquisitor @ 19 2005 July,03:51)

1. I don't think the Praetorian statline represents the massive warrior-servitors described in the background OR the small battle-servitors found in 40K.


I think it does represent a general category of machine assault troops. Indiviudally customisable but overall effect is thus for a variety of reasons (lack of iniative, programs, fog of war etc). It is a general cyborg assualt stat I guess. It could be 1 thing or 8 factory cyborgs that have been reprogrammed. I think the praetorian isn't a standardised creation and thus its full scope is better explored in 40k/inquisitor/a forge world pdf list.

2. It would be nice to have more Centurio Ordinatus engines. *Snip*
Yes. However there will be other lists. Is three enough for this list? other ideas can go int he tech guard army, or even better can you come up with a build it yourself ordinati system?

3. I don't find the current praetorian or skitarii platoons units a viable alternative to other units such as Scout titans.*Snip*
They have niches. They aren't full on replacements. Indeed the idea is you would want to take titans. however for stuff like urban fighting or objective control, as well as utilising terrain they have advantages that put them on equal footing witht he Titans. I guess its a bit like the steel legion - infantry are worse than tanks, but can do things tanks can't.

4. Make the Tech-priest an upgrade for the Titans *snip*.
You don't like the 'hardware' solutions?

5. I still like the idea that Tech-priests (and only tech-priests) *snip* improved transport *snip* (Land Raider was what I was thinking of *snip*)

Its a novel idea. Thing is can we get it past fluff?

6. I don't like the Sentinels or Hydras in the list *snip*. (For suggested replacements, see Praetorians and Centurio engines above).
Like many also do :)
However these are army level formations - that suggests a mass produced answer to those requirements. Your suggestions seem more 'custom' built than mass produced machines.
Author:  dysartes [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:32 pm ]
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1, See TRC's answer :)

2, The three we've got at the minute seem to cause a fair amount of controversy - let's not add to it further.

3, The Praetorian unit was designed to be carried within the Corvus Assault Pod initially, though it does now have the capacity to be used as a solo mechanised formation. It's certainly the best formation you can get in the CAP in the AMTL list, look at it that way :D

4, Considering this, and there is now the option with the Tech-Priest-that-was now being called the Electo-Priest. The question that has to be asked, however, is is it needed, or is it merely wanted (see the artillery debate, which (after this comment) can stay out of this thread, thankyouverymuch).

5, I've already said no to that one. LR are for SM only (and the occasional =][= who half-inches one)

6, See comments on old forum.
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:43 pm ]
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Quote (dysartes @ 19 2005 July,21:32)
LR are for SM only (and the occasional =][= who half-inches one)

It didnt always used to be so... :{

Remember the days of IG las-gun squads packed into Rhinos? And backed up by Guard LRaiders?   :L
Author:  Justiniel [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:50 pm ]
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Just take a look at my IG, command Rhinos and Landraiders there, ahhh, the good old days :laugh:
Author:  dysartes [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:51 pm ]
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Tas> It didn't always used to be that way, but it is now, hence it shall be thus now, OK? :)
Author:  Tas [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:56 pm ]
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Aye dysartes, indeed "Change is Good" and burn the heretics that say otherwise!

I think they teach that to EVERYONE in Management! :D   :laugh:

BTW, Id be interested to see the official fluff behind the change- do you know where I can find it?  As much as the inconsistencies irk me at times, I quite like the whole background and all my armies are inherently "fluffy" :)
Author:  dysartes [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:33 pm ]
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I'm fairly certain that there's a mention of it in the Index Astartes: Land Raider article that was published when the current Land Raider model was released. Since then, it certainly seems to have been implied a lot.
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:22 pm ]
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As to the Land Raider thing, there is indeed a bit of text saying that Land Raiders were only allowed to be used by Space Marines by Imperial Decree and that decree has never been broken. However, that's clearly in error as Inquisitors of the Ordo Hereticus have Land Raiders crewed by Tech-priests. If we accept that Inquisitors have LRs, then there's nothing stopping us from theoretically having LRs for the Adeptus Mechanicus as well, backgroundwise anyway. Whether it is a good idea for the list is another matter - I think that it would set the tech-priests aside as important personages, but that's just me.

Lord Inquisitor.
Author:  dafrca [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:20 pm ]
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Quote (dysartes @ 19 2005 July,05:33)
I'm fairly certain that there's a mention of it in the Index Astartes: Land Raider article that was published when the current Land Raider model was released. Since then, it certainly seems to have been implied a lot.

Yes, I think I remember that too, it says they were only for Marines, but they did not address the change from previous background, pictures, rules. GW does that a lot. They either just make the change or just toss out some minor referance to the change and move on.

Not that it is always a bad thing, just an odd thing.

dafrca
Author:  dafrca [ Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:21 pm ]
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Oh, just to be clear though, I do not think Land Raiders belong in this list either.

I vote No. :;):

dafrca
Author:  Tas [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:05 pm ]
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Dont burn me as a Heretic for this but...

didnt the IG also use to have Land Speeders (as well as Bikes) in the AT days?

OK then, go gather the kindling...:)
Author:  Lord Inquisitor [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:46 pm ]
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Quote (Tas @ 20 2005 July,13:05)
Dont burn me as a Heretic for this but...

didnt the IG also use to have Land Speeders (as well as Bikes) in the AT days?

OK then, go gather the kindling...:)

They had jetbikes no less...

Ah, the old days...
Author:  dafrca [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 2:56 pm ]
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Quote (Tas @ 20 2005 July,05:05)
Dont burn me as a Heretic for this but...

didnt the IG also use to have Land Speeders (as well as Bikes) in the AT days?

OK then, go gather the kindling...:)

Yes, they did, Bikes and Jet Bikes, some had bolters, they could carry the Las-cannons on their shoulders, and they had all kinds of other fun options. All gone.

dafrca
Author:  Dwarf Supreme [ Wed Jul 20, 2005 6:07 pm ]
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Quote (dafrca @ 20 2005 July,14:56)
Quote (Tas @ 20 2005 July,05:05)
Dont burn me as a Heretic for this but...

didnt the IG also use to have Land Speeders (as well as Bikes) in the AT days?

OK then, go gather the kindling...:)

Yes, they did, Bikes and Jet Bikes, some had bolters, they could carry the Las-cannons on their shoulders, and they had all kinds of other fun options. All gone.

dafrca

Let's not forget jump packs.
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