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| Author: | semajnollissor [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:24 am ] |
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Ok, it looks like it's been 2 yrs since the list was updated. We all know there are issues with it. Is this list anyone's priority right now? The eldar boards were pretty barren until Chroma chipped in the revised craftworld lists. Anyone up for doing the same for this list (or lists, if they get separated into TL, Tech Guard, and Knights - which I am in favor of)? |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:38 am ] |
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I'd be willing to take a bash at doing something with the lists here. Either splitting the list up into three (Titan Legion, Knightworld army, Ad Mech army) or in developing fixed configurations of Titans for use with other Imperial armies... possibly both paths... Titans / Ad Mech are one of my favourites.  |
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| Author: | Kleomenes [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:42 am ] |
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If and when I get more experienced with epic I'd love to take a crack at the skitarii if its still free. I've been vaguely swatting up on background publications for that very purpose! |
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| Author: | Chroma [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:39 am ] |
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(semajnollissor @ Oct. 29 2007,23:24) QUOTE The eldar boards were pretty barren until Chroma chipped in the revised craftworld lists. Anyone up for doing the same for this list (or lists, if they get separated into TL, Tech Guard, and Knights - which I am in favor of)? Hee hee! Careful or I might grab this list too... *laugh* Seriously, I'd be glad to help with AMTL development. |
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| Author: | CyberShadow [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:00 pm ] |
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Let me see if I can get in touch with dysartes... |
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| Author: | The_Real_Chris [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:11 pm ] |
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Well i was beaten to the punch first time round by Dysartes and would love to do it. However I think he lives yet and the lack of posts is in response to the lack of playtests. Certainly we both did a mass of tests on the titan component to get them where they are today 9oh the joy of jumping the army champ with a warhound horde ).I think it should be based on who has the most battle and scout titans (I have a 'box' of at least 50 or so, oh the good old days of AT! ).I would support splinting the list into three. Maybe even 4 with the a main titan list based off what stuff is available to buy right now to try and guaranty it getting published. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:25 pm ] |
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I have three Reavers, many Warlords, and three Warhounds (Think I'm gonna buy some more for my new Cadian army though). The Reavers and Warlords have magnetic arms so I can change the weapons at will, so I win over TRC as I have near-inifinite combinations of Titans.  Dysartes is still contactable, over on his website, Dysartes.com. |
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| Author: | nealhunt [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:01 pm ] |
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If someone steps up, I put my vote in for a TL/Tech Guard (Skitarii)/Knight split. |
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| Author: | Nicodemus [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:12 pm ] |
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I have Imperator, Warlord, 2 Reavers and 4 Warhounds and would like to play with them, so if somebody takes up the challenge I would be happy. And my vote goes to splitting as well. But I would forget the knights altogether, or make them their own list. They are totally OOP with no possibility to get them from anywhere, so you cant expect to make list balanced when only some players have access to some of its models (yes, yes they can be scrapbuilded or proxyed.  ) *shrugs*
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| Author: | Dave [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:22 pm ] |
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DS and I got in two games so far with the TL. I'm working on getting the BatReps up. |
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| Author: | Dwarf Supreme [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:28 pm ] |
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(nealhunt @ Oct. 30 2007,08:01) QUOTE If someone steps up, I put my vote in for a TL/Tech Guard (Skitarii)/Knight split. I vote the same also. |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:02 pm ] |
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I'd want to have a crack at a Tech Guard list, if noone objects, I think my thoughts on them would be less contraversial than my toughts on Titans.
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| Author: | Steve54 [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:18 pm ] |
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I would vote for splitting also - and would like to throw my hat in the ring for the TL list |
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| Author: | Blarg D Impaler [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:02 pm ] |
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Who is driving this bus? Nobody has driven this bus for a long time... Since we're comparing titan armies: I have 1 Imperator completed, a Warmonger in progress, ~9x Imperial Warlords, 8x Imperial Reavers, 6x Warhounds, several Chaos titans. I think I have sold off more titans than others have owned! I have been working on refining my mathematical formulas for titan weapons and I think I have them down a lot better than before. When time permits I have actually been working on taking the weapon rules in the AMTL list and the modular weapons I have been advocating and combining the two concepts. This has been driven by several things: 1) The AMTL rules have two versions of about 6 weapons to account for the same weapon bits being on the Warhounds and the Reavers yet to keep the power of the Warhound weapons lower. While this keeps the Warhounds in line with conventional thinking, I think it's stupid to have proliferated the weapons list like this. It just makes things confusing. If a weapon bit is a Plasma Blastgun, it should be a Plasma Blastgun only, regardless of the titan it is mounted on. 2) The modular weapons scheme I had been pushing had the flaw in that to it required all of the weapons to be the same power, and to make that happen the stats needed to be changed, sometimes in tortuous ways. (The Rocket Launcher and the Volcano Cannon are examples in opposite extremes.) Maybe not all of the weapons should be the same power... I still firmly believe that titan weapons should be modular and that titans should be the same cost within the same chassis. One of the basic thoughts behind the modular weapons scheme was that a titan chassis can handle a certain amount of weapons, either due to power requirements, mass restrictions, or other requirements/restrictions. Any titan that goes out to a battle "underarmed" without some form of performance compensation is a waste that the AMTL would not tolerate. But instead of making all of the weapons the same power maybe it should be that if a titan has some weaker weapons in one or more of the weapon mounts (like the Warhound weapons) a more powerful weapon should be able to be mounted in some of the other weapon mounts, or maybe extra weapons elsewhere on the titan. 3) One of the favorite things for Epic players to do is to customize their titans in some way or another, and titan rules that facilitate that should be welcome by players. 4) The realization that the titan CC weapons would have to follow the same firing arcs as the ranged combat weapons, and the need for big firing arcs on any titan mounted AAA weapons, showed me that the weapons selection should be even more diversified than what I had originally imagined. 5) The new Reaver Titan that Forgeworld was showing off at the cons showed a carapace Rocket Launcher and a 3x barrelled arm weapon that was otherwise identical to the 2x barrelled Warhound weapon. What I have been working on for my local group, and maybe for putting on the boards here, was a scheme where there are several different "weights" of weapons. That would allow for the Warhounds to have their weapons, allow for Reavers to mount those exact same weapons and/or other weapons, and make it viable for Warlords to mount the lighter Warhound weapons up to Warlord-only weapons and still be fearsome. All while keeping it simple and workable. <<< --- >>> I also think that making three different AMTL army lists is a good idea: a Knight World list that is knight and infantry heavy, an AMTL Divisio Militaris list to represent the AMTL going to fight someplace like in the Armageddon War, and a Forgeworld planetary defense force. Realistically 3 more army lists could be drawn up: Divisio Mandati (Emperor titans and Pax Imperia) for fighting against rebellious IG and Space Marines, Divisio Telepathica (Psi-Titans) for Psi-Titans, Grey Knights, and any Inquisition-oriented stuff, and Divisio Investigatus (R&D) for the ultimate kit-basher army. (Leman Russ with walker legs anyone?) <<< --- >>> The current AMTL amry list is missing not only Orbital Bombardment options, as highlighted by the AMTL ships released for BFG, but also missing are AMTL special rules. The Space Marines have ATSKNF, the IG have the Commissars special rule, the Orks have the Waaagh!!! special rule, the Eldar have Farsight, Hit & Run, May Not Garrison, and Eldar Technology special rules, Chaos has the Summoning special rules, the... I think you get the point. There are two special rules that I think the AMTL Divisio Militaris list should have: Modular Weapons - allow different weapons from one titan to another Scout Titans - where solo Warhounds can get "Scout" status for an additional 25(?) points. (They are called Warhound Scout Titans after all...) Just my thoughts... |
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| Author: | Evil and Chaos [ Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
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5) The new Reaver Titan that Forgeworld was showing off at the cons showed a carapace Rocket Launcher and a 3x barrelled arm weapon that was otherwise identical to the 2x barrelled Warhound weapon. That would be a triple barreled Turbolaser Destructor, as opposed to the twin-barreled ones of the Warhound and Warlords. |
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