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AMTL/Skitarii DRAFT LIST

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 10:14 pm 
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How about changing the price to 3 for 150pts with + 0-3 more for 75pts/each? Same price for 6, a discount for the weak 3-strong formation, and added flexibility for people with odd numbers of knights in their collections?


This sounds interesting, but I don't like having the knights that cheap it seems grounds for some abuse since you get better firepower with knights than with crusaders. As it stands right now, you are getting a bit of a discount per knight taking the full 6. It's much simpler to just eliminate the 3 strong formation. (I know, I was for it, but I've just never seen them perform enough to justify taking knights.)

Yes, well, I wasn't expecting anyone to field 3 Forge Knights (more than once), but it'll let people who have modeled only three keep them in their armies if they wish. I have an occupation-induced aversion to breaking backwards compatibility :-\
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I'll see if I can fit either or both in my next test list. I'll have to do some proxying, though, I have absolutely no idea what would be good models for these... Do you have any particular minis in mind for either?

Secutors can be converted terminators with weapons strapped on or different painted infantry stands. Rapiers, there are official models, but they aren't very common. It might be partly why these never get taken.

Fortunately, I just yesterday acquired three Rapiers :) I'll field test them when they're painted.

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I'd just use a square base to proxy.


Urgh! Argle! Never, I tell you, never!


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 Post subject: Re: AMTL/Skitarii DRAFT LIST
PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:16 pm 
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Because a unit (and a list) is defined as much by what it lacks as what it has. If you give it 15cm move, you have taken away one of the few drawbacks of the Minoris unit.


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I think you may find that you'll be taking a fairly balanced unit, and breaking it, akin to what happened when I gave up the Minervan list (The 10cm Stormhammer got upgraded to 15cm, and instantly became abusively overpowered).

This is a much more reasonable explanation than the previous. I appreciate your concern here, and I don't think anyone wants to see the minorus broken. Part of the reason I started the draft list was to test changes like these without breaking the official list. Have no fear, if things aren't working, then it won't make it through to the next version of the AMTL list.

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ALL Ordinati are custom built. ALL of them. No exceptions.

Ok, then all minorii are custom built to move at least 15cm :)

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Yes, well, I wasn't expecting anyone to field 3 Forge Knights (more than once), but it'll let people who have modeled only three keep them in their armies if they wish. I have an occupation-induced aversion to breaking backwards compatibility


I'm also concered with people using them as cheap activations at 150 points since you'd be avoiding the LV of the crusaders and getting infiltrator for CC. It's not so bad losing a detachment or two if you have six floating around. 3 demi-centuries and a CLP-Quake minorus coy gives you enough slots to take six detachments and have a little over 600 points left for thunderbolts, titans, or other bits. Currently that would be 1200 points for the knights alone.

I think it would be best to just drop the 3 option.

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Urgh! Argle! Never, I tell you, never!

Testing trumps having models. :) better to have your black square bases in action and end with a balanced unit than never field it and find out it kills all!

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 7:00 pm 
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Locking this thread to move discussion to the Revision B list.

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