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AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

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Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 9:11 am

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I've been thinking that the comander of a Titan force would think a little differently than those of more conventional armies.
The power of a Titan must give them a bit of a God(Emperor) complex. ?I can see them not wanting to listen to others. ?I assume they'd be sent to a battle zone, then given orders to hold or take certain objectives by the top guy who oversees the battle on a planetary scale. ?So they go in force to a specific area with a specific goal in mind. ?But then, they're all like "we have our own agenda, and we are not going to sacrifice any god-machines (titans) for some lame objective", and "man, I feel the power, I'm a god!! ?Die, enemy scum, die!"

So, therefor:
1) ?The loss of a Titan is a big deal. ?A much bigger deal than the loss of a whole IG army, let alone some typical BTS formation.

2) ?Titans are all powerful, and their precepts have egos in proportion to the size of their ride. ?Why would they sit back and hold an objective when there's killing to be done?

3) ?We are the darn Titan Legion for crying out load, not some piddly IG task force. ?You don't send in the big boys unless you need to crush your foe. Holding objectives is for grunts, taking objectives is for warriors.

~ Losing a Titan, and especially the BTS Titan would be devistating, and so should particularly reward to the enemy. ?(like killing any titan is a goal, and the BTS Titan is 2 goals)
~ holding the Blitz or the Take and Holds is benieth them (but holding Titan wrecks would be very important). So maybe AMTL Titans cannot hold/contest Objectives on its side of the board (can not attain Defend the Flag)
~ getting the BTS is what they do, so it should be harder to get. ?Maybe have to kill the two biggest to get it...or one biggest per Titan (3 Battle titans means destroying 3 biggest enemy formations)
~ Destroying enemy formations would be more inportant than holding objectives. ?Killing/braking half(?) of enemy's army is a goal.

Note: by "Titan", I'm not sure if it should be Battle Titan, or include Warhound Packs, or any Titan including individual Warhounds (would really limit all warhounds armies). Ordinatus should be included.

Note: I like the idea of an all Titan force, but I don't think it should be more effective than a mixed force. Goals can be used to tweek the effectiveness of Titans to make mixed armies more attractive.

Edit: added some thoughts

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Legion 4

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:54 pm

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We see Titans as Land Battleships (BB). Heavy Mobile Armed Weapons Platforms (HMAWP). Warhounds = DE; Reavers = CL/CA; Warlords = BC/BB; Imperator = Yamato/Musashi (?!?!?!). They are on the boards to support the ground forces and engage other Titans ... None of my Titans have C/Cbt wpns ... that's dumd ... like putting a ram on the BB IOWA ! Why ?!

I like/have a AM/TL list/force, but I'm not enamored with more special rules ... :;):

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Baduin

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 1:58 pm

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Battle of Lissa in 1866 was decided by ramming, and battleships had rams mounted on them for a long time after that.

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Legion 4

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 12:58 am

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Ah ... well aware of the that ... however ... in modern/future warfare ... I don't remember the Bismarck, Iowa or Yamato, etc. ... having a ram ?!

Or ramming ?! :laugh:

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semajnollissor

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:07 pm

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Ahh, whatdya do that for - dragging practical concerns into this?

Seriously, though, if a titan were to make any sense, it would have to be much tougher than a battleship. I mean, can any "modern" (are there any?) battleship actually stand up to a modern cruise missile attacks?

The only way I figure that the walking, building-sized targets can survive at all is that they have armour that is the equivalent of 10 or 20 or 30 feet of composite reinforced layered steel. Just pretend that the armor is so effective, that only the most powerful energy bursts can crack it. Then, imagine that those types of energy bursts mostly restricted to short ranged blasts or to very short ranged electro-mechanical means (due to effeciency concerns, scheduling, or some laws of physics that are equally imaginary).

I agree that arming Titans with CC weapons doesn't make much sense, but the titans themselves don't make much sense either. I mean, I've seen some painted with camo (who are they kidding, unless they make it look like a bunch of trees or a building, no one is going to buy it), while others don't even try and get painted up bright red. I'm surprised there isn't a legion that uses a target for an emblem.

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Chroma

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:09 pm

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Quote (semajnollissor @ 13 Feb. 2006 (15:07))

I'm surprised there isn't a legion that uses a target for an emblem.

I always thought that's what a Titan was, by definition!

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Legion 4

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 6:27 am

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Yep ... I agree ... Titan = Target ... but it is a fun sci-fi concept ! :laugh:

We rarely use Titans in our games but have an extensive collection ! In tactical and Camo colors ( I posted pics of my Titans in the 6mm modeling link a few weeks back ... check them out ! :;):

) ! And no C/Cbt weapons foolishness ! :laugh:

Why use a club when you can use a ranged weapon. Must be the 10? years I spent in the Infantry ??!?! We perferred to kill tanks at long range ! :;):

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clausewitz

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 2:57 pm

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Hi L4, just had a look at your titan photos, very impressive.

As for no C/Cbt weapons... I think you've cheated!

Am I correct in spotting some converted Las Burners??

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Blarg D Impaler

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:43 pm

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If all Epic battles took place on the rolling plains of Kansas or Poland then CC weapons would be pretty damn silly. But what about the city fights? What about more heavily forested areas?

If all Epic battles took place against the Imperial Guard then CC weapons would be pretty silly, wouldn't they? But what about the fast moving and CC oriented Tyranids? Chaos titans are (or used to be) more CC oriented than Imperial ones.

The expected terrain (and enemy) should dictate your tactics, and hence, your weapons. This is obscured by the tournament format where terrain (and enemy) is genericized at best, completely unknown at worst.

Yes, giant power fists on walking battleships are rather silly, but in the context of the game and setting I wouldn't be too quick to cast them aside. Unless you only play tournaments...

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Legion 4

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:04 pm

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Thanks Clauswitz ! ?Based on SM1 Titan standards, you could outfit your Titans within standardized rules and did not have to use C/Cbt weapons. And yes ... those are converted Las-burners to Battle Cannons ! :;):

? I don't play tournaments, Blarg ... ?My Epic forces are mostly organized by modified SM1 standards. ?I'm well aware of "prep for combat" based on METL (Mission Essential Task List), but in 10+ years in the Infantry ('79-90), ?in the jungle, desert, unban, etc., etc. ... We usually kept bayonets steathed or left them in the arms room ! ? :laugh:

?But we did carry machetes in the jungle (used them to cut down Bananas mostly ! :laugh:

) ?And I never saw a C/Cbt attachment for an MBT, APC, or IFV ! :laugh:

? But do what works for you ! But as I said before ... I'll shoot them before they close the range with a C/Cbt tool/weapon !

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Jaldon

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:42 am

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Legion 4

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:19 am

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As always do what works for you ! :;):

I just like cannons, guns, rockets, missiles etc. ! :laugh:

It's more fun for me to shoot an OPFOR Titan/Gargant to bitz than hit him with C/Cbt weapons !! :laugh:

I'm just a "fun" kind of guy ! And of course I agree totally about the M1911A1 !!!!! :;):

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primarch

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 8:56 pm

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Hi!

Being a big fan of city based titan battles, CC weapons in that scenario is a must. Ranges are so short and the enemy can just pop-up out of you arc of fire and rip you to shreds with chain fist and power fist.

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nealhunt

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 9:08 pm

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Quote (Legion 4 @ 15 Feb. 2006 (19:04))

We usually kept bayonets steathed or left them in the arms room ! :laugh:

No kidding. At one point some numbnut in our chain of command decided that we should carry bayonets at all times. We thought that was the stupidest thing ever.

We weren't allowed to just stuff them in our packs. They had to be accessible. Needless to say, hauling the doggone things around the boonies resulted in 1 thing - lost bayonets as the clips failed or they slid out of the sheath while you're humping through the woods as zero-dark-thirty.

It took about 3 months before they realized how stupid an idea that was. At first they threatened to prosecute people based on lost weaponry, but when it became apparent that there would have to be an explanation for why 10% of the battalion had NJP in just 3 months, lost bayonets became a simple supply issue.

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LDADAMS12

Post subject: AMTL, OGBM & GT Scenario

Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 11:47 pm

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A battery commander in my battalion decided that everyone would have baynets one them. The result was one slide out of its sheath and landing in web gear, which someone sit down on it and got stuck in the rear.
I thought it was a joke intill I met the poor guy.

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