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AMTL 3.08
J0k3r
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:45 pm 
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Im entitled to agree with E@C about not overly limiting the loadout of titans.  In E:A power-gamy tooling  of titans is bound to be self limiting, particularly in a tourney setting as long as weapons are individually costed appropriately.  

Ok a warlord carrying 4 volcano cannons will be very nasty, but will it outperform 2 shadowsword companies?  I really doubt it, particularly if the IG player has deathstrikes.  Epic will always advantage people who build balanced tourney lists.  

In friendlies it is a different issue to a certain degree.  If someone builds titans specifically to do over your army then that is a tad unsporting; however if you keep letting them do that then thats really your problem and all part of the metagame of playing friendlies.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 3:48 pm 
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I've opened a poll to discuss the Apoc weapon slot restrictions.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:40 pm 
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(J0k3r @ Mar. 27 2008,14:45)
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Im entitled to agree with E@C about not overly limiting the loadout of titans. ?In E:A power-gamy tooling ?of titans is bound to be self limiting, particularly in a tourney setting as long as weapons are individually costed appropriately. ?

Ok a warlord carrying 4 volcano cannons will be very nasty, but will it outperform 2 shadowsword companies? ?I really doubt it, particularly if the IG player has deathstrikes. ?Epic will always advantage people who build balanced tourney lists. ?

In friendlies it is a different issue to a certain degree. ?If someone builds titans specifically to do over your army then that is a tad unsporting; however if you keep letting them do that then thats really your problem and all part of the metagame of playing friendlies.

I usually find that throwing in the odd spoiler army now and then keeps most people honest. Also not knowing what you are going to play against is a good boon as well.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:09 pm 
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(Hena @ Mar. 27 2008,18:53)
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(J0k3r @ Mar. 27 2008,16:45)
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In friendlies it is a different issue to a certain degree.  If someone builds titans specifically to do over your army then that is a tad unsporting; however if you keep letting them do that then thats really your problem and all part of the metagame of playing friendlies.

I think that is a poor excuse for a bad list. It's irrelevant on how it's used as the list should be balanced so that any combination is fine. Or that should be the target anyway.

But if you look at other lists any combination isnt fine if you know what your opponent will bring and tailor your list to that.  My point is that just about ANY list can be powergamed for a certain opponent, and this will be possible in friendlies as you know your friends and what they have/tend to field.  Whether it is a problem comes down to sportsmanship more than anything else!

That is effectively what you are doing when you load out a Warlord with all one weapon system.  It wont necessarily be game breaking against any other opponent.  the all volcano cannon warlord is a good case in point; is it as effective as 2 shadowsword companies as they cost about the same?  Its all your eggs in one basket when you tailor a titan to that degree and thats the price you pay; it isnt necessarily bad list design.

Ive already mentioned the restrictions I see as sensible, and would possibly also make the plasma destructor max of 2 for fluff reasons.




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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:05 pm 
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(J0k3r @ Mar. 27 2008,19:09)
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Ive already mentioned the restrictions I see as sensible, and would possibly also make the plasma destructor max of 2 for fluff reasons.

You can't have it both ways....either all weapons have restrictions or they don't. ?

Plasma weapons should be treated no differetnly than any other weapon type....and if we are going to argue fluff reasons for limiting them....then lets discuss limiting Reavers as according to the fluff they are a increasingly rare titan design.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:13 pm 
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Apocalypse an 40k - whilst it is good to use them as a guide following them to the word will not make for a great game.


I have to disagree on the point of titan weapons, the restrictions from Apocalypse are actually really cool and logical, if you can get past the historical revisionism. :)

However, as I suspected, the community is firmly against it, and I don't want to ask people to cut up their models so no, we won't be changing the restrictions for now.



Next topic please! :)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:17 pm 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 27 2008,16:13)
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Next topic please! :)

Yeah, like will any Knights be on the list?  :devil:

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Next topic please! :)

Yeah, like will any Knights be on the list?  :devil:

The vote was very close (56.7% for, 43.3% against at this time).

So yes, we'll be seeing a Knight option... but most probabl it will be a 'generic' Knight rather than a Knight 'Paladin', Knight 'Lancer', etc... there wasn't an emphatic enough 'yes' to justify anything more.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:30 pm 
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(PlushWombat @ Mar. 27 2008,20:05)
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Plasma weapons should be treated no differetnly than any other weapon type....and if we are going to argue fluff reasons for limiting them....then lets discuss limiting Reavers as according to the fluff they are a increasingly rare titan design.

The only reason I mention destructors is that originally they just about drained the Titans plasma reactor to fire, hence the original move or fire restriction.  

Now we have slow firing which is fine, but I do think that 4 plasma destructors would  drain more plasma than the titan should have.  It is nothing to do with rarity, just a detail that I rather liked.

The other limits I was referring to are: CC weapons on arm mounts only (Seems rather obvious) and one shot weapons on carapace only (As one shot weapons have the ability to allow an huge alpha strike which could be game breaking).  I  dont se that we neeed an alll or nothing approach, just a couple of sensible limits and leave the rest to points balancing.




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Now we have slow firing which is fine, but I do think that 4 plasma destructors would  drain more plasma than the titan should have.  It is nothing to do with rarity, just a detail that I rather liked.

Assume that the extra points spend on buying all those Plasma Destructors were used by the Ad-Mech to fit more powerful reactors. :D


I agree CC weapons should probably be arm-mounted only.

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Greetings Evil and Chaos,

I just want to take a moment to compliment you on your stewardship of the AMTL list thus far. ?

You have acted decisively when such action has been required, yet at the same time you have gone to great lengths to ensure that all the varying viewpoints are given due consideration.

I for one appreciate your actions and just felt someone should say thanks to you for what is essentially a thankless job.

So..Thank You!

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Assume that the extra points spend on buying all those Plasma Destructors were used by the Ad-Mech to fit more powerful reactors. :D

Oh for my mekboy to hit that badboys reactor :D

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