In all tournaments/campaigns that I have rune using the War Gryphonnes (2 of each) the tax/surcharge has been played as in the current list. The desire to ignore the tax is LONG out of date and has no bearing on this discussion.

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Pity you haven't noted that I agree with you about the VP win = draw.
It is a solution to the problem and will motivate the Titan Legion player to play for a win.
Hopefully, the rule could be written in such a way that could make it themed?

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as a suggestion, the reason i never take support missiles is not because of the CLP option making them obselete. its because its expensive for a 1 shot weapon, and i dislike 1-shot weapons in general. if it was Slow Firing then i'd probably take it from time to time

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Noone informed me that their statments along the lines of "I will never, ever, pay the weapons tax and I'm ignoring it" were withdrawn.


I did note that. I've also noted several other reasons why the LD list is in my opinion superior to the WG list in terms of balance and playstyle.

And once again, if you want a Supplement where the War Gryphonnes feature primarily, please feel free to write one.


Sure, the background text for the rule will talk about Titan Legions not being forces that could ever be happy with an attritional win, perhaps?

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The AMTL embodies the very concept of concentration of force - I figure that if the enemy managed to fight the AMTL to a standstill anywhere this would be a big operational loss for the Imperium, as it is likely their spearhead and will leave them open to counterattacks.

Kinda like when/if the russians managed to stave off the tanks on the schwerpunkt during WWII, it was bad news for the germans.

We'll make sure to notify you of all our gaming desicions in future...

I appreciate the edited response there. As I read it, my tone is fine and I do not mean to offend you. I'm only trying to point out that others around the world are using the War Gryphonnes list and the sky is not falling on our heads. Indeed, they have not won any of our campaigns or tournaments (although they have done well in both formats).
It is kind of you to allow us to see your Legio Destructor list before you publish it in your supplement.

Sounds good. Titans should play to win and anything less should be a loss.

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When you go from "I'm never going to use that rule" to "we use the rule all the time" and don't tell anyone, it doesn't help the playtesting process all that much.



You are free to playtest it or ignore it at your leisure. What's not helpful is having every thread about it full of comments about the Epic: Mechanicus Supplement.

Please take any further talk about the Epic: Mechanicus Supplement off to a more appropriate thread.

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I share your aversion to such an expensive one shot weapon. I would prefer cheaper weapons that do more consistent albeit lower damage more often.

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James