Lightnings are basically useless at ground attacks; my stats for them have effectively 1 AP5+ and 1 AT4+. Where they excel is is in interception.

I'm probably being dumb, but I'm not 100% clear on the knight shield rule - is it a 4+ inv. save (that's not taken in event of crossfire)? Or does it absorb x no. of hits before dying without chance of replenishment (a la void shield)? Is it taken in addition to the 4+RA save or is it part of that save (though still allowing a 4+ against Tk)? I haven't been following closely the discussion about the rule, so I'm not really sure what it's about

It only kicks in against TK.

For all other weaponry (AT, MW, Lance, Sniper, whatever) treat the Knight as having a 4+RA save. Against TK hits, get a 4+ hit for each TK attack (before variable damage is rolled).

Morgan Vening
- Knightworld Sub-Champion

So it's basically just "TK counts as MW for saving throw purposes"?

Pretty much. With a clarifying statement regarding handling of the multiple damage TK weapons.

Morgan Vening
- Knightworld Sub-Champion

gotcha, kinda like Necron Living Metal then?

Yes.
Except they lose it when in crossfire or close combat.

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And necrons are immune to MW.

Indeed.

So it's not as good, but does provide better protection than just standard reinforced armour.

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you two are like some kind of tag team are you sure you're not different personalities in the same person?

right, 100% clear now. Once Dave finishes kicking my arse in our current game I'll give it a go. I'll warn you in advance though - if you want a batrep, you'll be staring at an awful lot of Stompas as Vassal Proxies

I should probably give Knights a try this weekend. Neat III is this weekend and we usually play a Friday night warm up game, as well as Sunday for a post-tourney game.

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I'm hoping we'll be up there with enough time (and brownie points from the wife) for me to pop over for a game Friday night, if you're interested?

I'm definitely interested. Otherwise, I'll try to arrange it so that we play Saturday.

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cool <heads off to read list again>

I am not sure whether people have also considerred this:

Slaanesh Daemon Knights are the closest (if not the) equivilent to Knights.

In effect, official rules state that they are AV. Only the larger Titans (Questor and Subjugator) are War Engines and you pay for them 'through the nose'.

So is there any reason why Knights are not AV in comparrison?

Just curious why the initial development moved away from the standard from an official list (not sure if AMTL was ever official)

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