Well if we had a unit such as Heavy Transport we could point it individually- for simplicity we should start with an already established figure and then tweak stats/points from there after playtesting.

I certainly would nt want to add the Crassus to the current list - if we want it to have a separate stats then it's home would be in E&C's AM Armoured Division.

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I'm just quoting this bit, but I'll be addressing the entire post.
This idea is very tempting since it covers a lot of territory by letting people use their gorgons or other models in this role, but I really don't think it's a very sound route to go for a couple of reasons.

First, and most importantly, a Gorgon isn't a minorus or a crassus. All three of these have different stats and just like a gorgon doesn't have void shields, the minorus doesn't have the same weapons load or transport capability as the gorgon. Especially with the gorgon stats already available, we either compromise the minorus or the gorgon and I don't see that being very good for the list as a whole.

Second, we still run into the issue of preventing the minorus from using the pod in an intuitive way so that new players aren't confused by what is and is not allowed. The only way I see this working is if the minorus is only allowed to take battle titan weapons which cost 25 points or more and that's still messier than the simple restriction to battle titan weapons.

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Please remind me again why Minorus have to have ALL of the battle titan weapons?

If we had a heavy transport (with either same/different stats to Gorgon) why would we need to have a Minorus with Corvus pods as a separate unit.

Also on similar vein why would Minorus have access to those titan weapons that were described in Adeptus Titanicus as super heavy weapons? (Putting to one side temporarily the issue that many people have converted Minorus with Quake Cannons and CLP because that is the points optiomal min-maxed combo).

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Because they are basically a platform built to hold titan weapons and should have access to titan grade weapons. They should have flexibility to take whatever they want the same as titans. The only caveat is that we limit them to battle titan grade and up partly for balancing reasons.



Because the minorus still pulls the the weapons from the Titan legion list. Unless we either remove the corvus from the titan weapons or start adding individual weapons exceptions into minorus entry it doesn't matter if a heavy transport option is in the list, the minorus can still take a corvus if it wants to. I don't think either of those options are elegant solutions.



I'm not sure I'm understanding your meaning here, this seems to be the same as your first question. The simple answer is that if a titan can get it then the minorus can get it. The only limits here are that the minorus gets the battle titan weapons since they are described (IIRC) as having huge weapons and you don't get much larger than that! Since the majoris seem to have special one of weapons systems, they are limited to named varieties.

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Ok- just wanted to be sure someone had at least asked that question and we had a clear answer why.

Personally I could live with a more restricted weapon choice for Minorus if it made them easier to balance but not something I would ever insist upon.

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Could placing an asterisk next to weapons selectable by ordinatus be an option? I don't think it would be too confusing if a note by the minoris entry said "may select weapons from titan list marked *"?

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I think the best solution may be to stop referencing the Titan list for weapons should we run into a lot of balance issues once we start stress testing minorus configs. We can have a single weapons stat sheet like we currently do, but we can take the section called battle titan weapons and just label it Titan weapons which would give us the freedom to move options around in the points value if necessary without affecting player choice or messing up the titan list.

Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself so to get things back on track, lets keep moving forward with the robots, sagitarii, and hypaspists.

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Imho a defined set of Ordinatus Minors would work best.
Artillery/Anti-Infantry: Quake Cannon
Anti-Tank/WE: Vulcano Cannon
Siege: Titan CC-Weapon

No "Transport: Corvus Assault Pod" Why? Because any other super-heavy transport would work, too. Ordinatus Minoris are Two tracked units who suspend the weapon between them. A transport version isn't mentioned anywhere and would run counter to the definition of a Titan-weapon transport system.
It's like using an Ordinatus Majoris with a transport capacity instead of using a Capitol Imperialis.

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Of course, there is actually a majoris that dedicated to transport in the fluff IIRC.

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Ordinatus Priam.

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and the Ordinatus Hellbore too - It's a tunneling transport, but still a transport.

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The Hellebore isn't an Ordinatus. But it's function would be close to the Ordinatus Priam.
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I agree 100% on both counts with BL.

And anybody who had actually taken the time to convert/scratchbuild a Minorus with Corvus Assault Pod would still be able to use it as a heavy transport/whatever we decide to call it.

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Just point the creaking things individually. The current pricing solution is hopelessly distorted and can *never* become internally balanced without silly things like direct fire ordinati going at 30cm speed, and transport ordinati going faster than that.

And by that point you're making so many exceptions to the rules (not to mention making an army that is clearly not ad mech) it's a boatload easier just to price them individually and have ~3 hulls you can apply the guns/upgrades to.

It's even easier for players to build an army because all the points costs are on one page.

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Individual pricing goes hand-in-hand with my proposal.

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