I'm not ignoring that, but some AV AA would be nice IMO, and there isn't a widely available model for the Macharius yet.

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Why not just stick with a Hydra turret on a Hydra body...  
If it ain't broke, why fix it?

There are other ways to make this list stand apart from other Guard list. Having the 50% Allies allowance was perfect for this. I fought against Ad Mech armies with 4 single Warhounds and did not find it overpowering. I can't comment on the airplane spamming but there must be a way to prevent that and keep the list fluffy?

Is there any background info for a Macharius with a Hydra turret? (not trying to be annoying, I simply don't know)

War Engine, 4+ Reinforced Armour, AA units sound a bit powerful to me? They can be indivually targeted if mixed with a formation of non-War Engines which might help.
I just see this as reinventing the wheel though.

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Is anyone 3d sculpting a macharius yet or has one been done? Not that I am putting the sterling efforts of Reaver down (I have 3 of his standard macharius)

I'll be painting up my AdMech/Skitarii/Mech Guard at some point soon and am still deciding on what units can be swapped in/out of the 2 lists (guard and skitarii)

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If the list proves underpowered, this will be the first thing to change back.


Yes it's possible to limit them in another manner.


There are some sketches of a Hydra-armed Macharius that was never made by FW, IIRC.



Points costs can solve a lot of problems.

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Of course not. Nobody would do that.

I believe that something that looks quite similar to and would probably make a good proxy for a Macharius is planned for the near future, though.

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Personally I'd like to see some way in which up to 1/2 the army could be titans, but only 1/3 could be planes. Though not both at the same time obviously....

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Something like the new Core / Support / Rare Support structure from the Chaos Black Legion list might work.

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It is a nice step to making it different from the vanilla Guard list, but I still don't think it feels right.

I maintain Majoris should not be core. They are large artillery pieces, they belong in support and there definitely should not be more than one on the field at any one time.

I'm also not sure its right getting rid of the Heavier armour. Maybe allow the Macharius to be upgraded to Baneblades or Stormblades/Shadowswords/Stormswords/Stormlords?

I'm not sure about whether we should add the rhino or not... It'll help make the list stand out from Guard but means we'll end up with an abundance of transport options.
On that note I do like the idea of using minoris with corvus pods but considering their speed and armour this really doesn't strike me as an option unless something is done about it.

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I'm really not found of this new list as a whole. I like some changed and others, but it turn's me off from the list.


Do not like it one bit and I really don't think is make much sense. Why couldn't/wouldn't the AM have access to onr of the most numerous large attack tanks?  


I like these changes and seem to full in line fluff wise too.


Not sure how I feel about this change. Hydra's may/should be left in the possibly. For the LR, to take them out is fine considering the down graded Tank Company. Hellhounds I'm not sure about either way.


I agree with Zombocon I think. Maybe limit allies to 50% still but Aircraft can't be more then 25% of that 50%??  

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The point is not that they don't have them available (they do, in singles), but that they don't use them as a mainline battle formation in the same way as the Steel Legion use them.


I will find a different way to limit the Allies for the next version, I think.

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i think for the next version what i would like to see is:

0-1 on ordinatus majoris with the critical hits changed to the reaver version

make minoris support again or up the movement.
maybe a small decrease in points i still find it hard to justify them after weapons compared to normal superheavy tanks. also adding them to skitarii demi-companies really hits your activations...

lose the 3 hyrda company but bring back the single hydras

maybe add in titans to support and keep the 55% allies? i dont know how broken this could become but it might solve the plane/titan problems.

give the choice of rhinos, chimeras or gorgan as transport. lets face it why should skitarii have a choice in transport  

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*pokes thread*

Is it still breathing? Haven't heard much word on anything for a few weeks in here. I have an AMTL game coming up thursday if all goes to plan. Did discussion just die?

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Hmm, I think E&C is just waiting for more play test reports to see what is needed.
So far its just been people saying what they want in the list without any real data supporting it.

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