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AMTL 3.08
Evil and Chaos
 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:39 pm 
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Excelent.

I'd especially like to see Warlord-heavy lists at the moment.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:39 pm 
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Does "Warlord-heavy" mean more than one? I'm not sure how well it would do against Dave's Nids, but I'm willing to give it a try for playtesting sake.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:05 am 
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With the errata 2008 changes to the Quake Cannon....

Perhaps its name should be changed to the Macro Nerf Gun*! :p

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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:14 am 
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(Dwarf Supreme @ Mar. 20 2008,13:39)
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Does "Warlord-heavy" mean more than one? I'm not sure how well it would do against Dave's Nids, but I'm willing to give it a try for playtesting sake.

Neal is concerned about the (cheap) cost of un-upgraded Warlord Titans... I'd like to see some testing to look into this.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:29 am 
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The cheapest Warlords that I have been able to come up with under ver 3.06 are...

Warlord with 2 MRLs and 2 Gatling blasters ?(cost 775 points )

Warlord with 2 MRLs, a Volcano Cannon, and a Plasma Destructor ?(Cost 825 Points)

At these point levels one can easily bring three Warlords so equiped into a 3,000 point game with ?some 525 to 675 points available for support units.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:49 am 
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(PlushWombat @ Mar. 21 2008,08:05)
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With the errata 2008 changes to the Quake Cannon....

Perhaps its name should be changed to the Macro Nerf Gun*! :p

Already mentioned this in another thread.
I agree with your sentiments.

Suddenly E&C's stats seem much more acceptable to me ?:glare: ?:D .




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 Post subject: AMTL 3.08
PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:24 pm 
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Pushed update 3.07

Added the Corvus Assault Pod
Plasma Destructor goes up to 75pts
Plasma Destructor goes up to 75cm range

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:33 am 
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Greetings Evil and Chaos,

In regards to the Corvus Pod...

Should it be restricted to the Warlord due to weight and size?

Should it have a small arms rating?

In regards to the Plasma Destructor...

I can live with the new range and points cost :;):

In regards to the changes in Erratta 08....

Will you be changing the Quake Cannon to slow fire..and if so will the points cost be lowered?

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Will you be changing the Quake Cannon to slow fire..and if so will the points cost be lowered?


Possibly, and if so, certainly.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:03 am 
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(Evil and Chaos @ Mar. 22 2008,06:40)
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Will you be changing the Quake Cannon to slow fire..and if so will the points cost be lowered?


Possibly, and if so, certainly.

Not in favour of this.

There's enough of this Slow Firing stuff with all the Plasma weapons.

Whatever stats it has, it should be able to shot every turn (or turn 2 is gonna be very boring for Titan armies).

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 2:07 am 
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I do think it's unlikely we'll move the Quake cannon to slow firing on any grounds except fluff.

If JJ has changed the counts-as Quake cannon to slow firing, it's probably on balance grounds (As all counts-as titan weapons must be roughly equal in power), rather than fluff.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:40 am 
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E&C, I have a few comments now after watching this thread that I'd like to share.

There's a lot of concern about low activation counts and a few people have said that the Sentinels aren't appropriate.  What about changing the size of the Skitarii option to something more in line to an SL Infantry platoon?  Say 6 Skitarii for 175 points with an option of 3 Chimera for 75 points?  Possibly also move it to general support formations as well.

I also feel that the Tech Priest doesn't have a place on this list as I feel the Legates would be rather put off by the presence of a "lowly infantry commander".  In any case though, you could make him a +50 point character with Commander, Leader, Inv. Save and a MW CC attack.  I don't think separate stats are warranted, especially since he appears the same as a Tactical Marine unit with a Captain upgrade.

Finally for the AMTL, I think the Melta Cannon should be more effective in an assault then in shooting, as all Melta weapons are.  Say FF +1EA TK(D3)?  Points would most likely need to be adjusted there.

On the AM list, I'll post on the appropriate thread.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 8:05 am 
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(Dave @ Mar. 22 2008,04:40)
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There's a lot of concern about low activation counts and a few people have said that the Sentinels aren't appropriate. ?What about changing the size of the Skitarii option to something more in line to an SL Infantry platoon? ?Say 6 Skitarii for 175 points with an option of 3 Chimera for 75 points? ?Possibly also move it to general support formations as well.

Interesting comment.

I have found, with earlier testing, that the low cost of Skitarii resulted in you picking them as a support formaiton over other options. This would be made worse now that they are allies.

However, I have been wrong before so give it a test or three.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:36 am 
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Fire Control Centre could easilly be free if it would only give indirect fire to Crapocalypse Missile Launcher. Quake Cannon didn't have barrage in Tit Legion and the Carapace Landing Pad didn't allow it to shoot indirect so I dunno why FCC can do it now. 6 BP relatively cheap reaver wouldn't be horribly good, or 9 BP warlord considering all the armies that get disrupts and whatnot in multiple formations for less. At the moment FCC simply costs too much and I dunno why anyone would take it. Any reasonably equipped titan with it costs 1k+ and then you can question if you would take four hounds instead. At least it would allow for some other choices than assault reavers and warhounds.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:42 am 
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Say 6 Skitarii for 175 points with an option of 3 Chimera for 75 points?


To keep with the 'clean numbers' theme, they'd probably be a 'Quattro Century' (5 bases, 25 men).

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